It is indeed a tax on Americans, but there is far more nuance to the scheme,, and Democrats have been implementing policies to achieve the same, just not so publicized. A post-Trump Democratic leader won´t reverse most of Trump Policies and trade restrictions. Think of Iran-Obama agreement (JCPOA) =, Obama never intended it to be pursue, Then Trump cancelled, then Biden never instituted it back and his administration even told Europeans stop finding a way to bypass US bans on Iran... I really see Europeans really see how the US operates.
Again, the intention here is to use this against EU for leverage in what US elite really cares about, US tech and military supremacy in Europe (that, of course, it is not only for sales, but pure control of EU intelligence apparatus and EU data (EU Data Privacy Laws: GDPR is just laughable for any data hosted in services like AWS, like anyone is monitoring encrypted data flowing back and forward across the Atlantic.
Also, a portion of European export companies will simply go bankrupt, and what is worse, investment in Europe will dry up since US is a safer bet than a market that gets hit constantly by the US at will.
I lived in the US for many, many years. I had acquired and priced what made me become and its people, from ALL political backgrounds. But for a decade now I have warned Europeans that excess reliance on the US political class is poison for Europe (and the world, really). I think many politicians in Europe have realized this in the last two years too, but are just trying to weather it out until Trump is out of office. Not so, the political aim of the US elite is to drain its allies dry as their contest with China persists. The political difference lies in the methodology, not the final objective. Trump does it abruptly, while many Republicans want to do it more subtly. Democrats, and sorry, most of the cheered progressive Democrats fall in here too, just want to milk the cash-cow a bit longer, but their aim is also to drain allies, though cleverly, trying not to antagonize them in the process.
The future of Europe is not to compete directly against the US or China, that is not possible, but to try to be the Switzerland of the world: a neutral economic area where US, Chinese or Brazilian capital is safe, where researchers from Russia, China, Taiwan or Singapore feel safe and wanted, where there are no discriminatory bans and the rule of law is supreme and predictably independent. The leaders of the EU, as good obedient pro-US leaders they are, are steering the EU in the exact opposite direction, leaving no third player in a world dominated by the US and China as the only choices.
I remember how leaders like Von der Leyen were chosen in secretive rooms (unlike previous EU leaders), and the Parliament just mindlessly rubber-stamps whatever is presented to them. These people are vetted in US embassies and European countries and intelligence agencies should, for one, work for their countries exposing the scheme.
We, the people, both in Europe and the US, should stop the infighting, left vs right, and reframe it as status quo vs awakening political candidates, and give people a feel again of a reason to vote. The racist right in Europe grows because it offers an alternative. Let's strip the racism and hatred from those parties and grab back their urgent demand for change that society is calling for and the masses will follow. I still have to come across a single party that does that.
I am ranting! Linux should be open for all, we should not have fallen this is Pro-Western, or Pro-China, or this or that, it should remain OPEN! We'd just caused Linux to be viewed as the payment messaging SWIFT and a sided institution so others will look for an alternative. Yes, today, after 2 decades, I am a bit Linux fan. I understand Linus had to apply the Presidential Order, he could just point his disagreement and even proposing the foundation to move to Switzerland or Mexico, but he did not; he did not offer his support for the people he dismissed after years and years of working for him.
Yep, the US is so powerful that is why Assad still in power and all regions with large population are kept away from US.
Holodomor is highly disputed if is man-made. Specially when you consider Russia had a equally devastated famine at the very same time (Soviet famine of 1930–1933) and another a decade prior (Russian famine of 1921–1922). But of course, we only care about the mostly Ukraine affected one Holodomor one (1932-33) because it fits our anti-Russian agenda. As a rural guy, let me tell you, ironically, when famine strikes, the ones who suffer the most are farmers (a long story to explain here why)... Ukraine and parts of non industrialized Soviet Union all suffered famine and millions upon millions died, no distinctions if they spoke Russian or Ukrainian.
So why Linus waited 2 years and a half to apply the Order until the grace period expires? He obviously does not like Russia, but he did trust those individuals (or system)!
Putin invaded after the US fomented coup. before that, Ukraine just kept alternating pro-western pro-russian governments, the coup was done to prevent that alternation (even though the pro-western was going to win in 11 months, but that was not enough for US). Russia, could just not see being kick out of Crimea by the US with a coup. Imagine Cuba gets the capability of kicking US out of Guantanamo... US would just declare the Guantanamo "lease" as US land in a second. Lets not mention the vital or historical importance Crimea has for Russia that Guantanamo does not for the US.
Agreed. I would comply (US's courts can be very hard with you if you don't) but you can dismiss those Russians with honor and thank them for their contribution. Then, you can consider to move the foundation to a more free environment (Switzerland, Mexico, Spain,...)
Insults apart (to Russians, Floridians and Lemmy community) , I do not blame Ukrainians for anything, specially when they are the biggest victims here. I blame the secret cabinets who decides their destiny for power, let those decisions are from Washington or Moscow, but let me tell you for sure are no from Kyiv. Now, historically, if you live close to a mayor power you do not like much (think of Ukraine or Cuba), the best is to have a strong army but never to join another distant power thinking it will save you, they will just use you.
third parties makes full sense. Of course you have no chance in the next few years but one of two scenarios will happen; 1) the people more and more open up the idea for the 3rd party and use it as a protest vote or 2) one of the duo-party system will try to capitalize on taking those votes by taking their main argument. No third party, no duo-party side has any incentive to remodel at all, they will just wait for the next cycle for their turn and things will continue as is. This is why the US political landscape has corrupted itself to the end.
Usually countries have to decide between butter and guns (eco 101). Well, such "largest militaries on Earth" had it both! Like Switzerland, you do have to keep a strong military to dissuade, but aligning to a alliance when you are the spearhead is bad. Switzerland had made an alliance with France or Germany a century ago, would not have ended non invaded, 100% guaranteed.
Can you explain me why Linux waited till the very last moment of the Executive Order 14071's grace period (the order is from April 2022!) to apply it? Obviously he trusted those people, or the verification system of the open system! Imagine you don't like a political party for bad... fair enough, so you ban their representatives from voting table... don't you think, that incentivizes the other party committing fraud? In these open system things, the more eyes the better, I don't care if commies, libertarians, ultra-right or whatever, the diversity is what keep it in check..
Executive Order 14071 is more than 2 yrs old... Linus waited till the grace deadline (in 1 week) to apply it, obviously he found it non necessary all this time and he trusted those Russians until the grace period expires. No, not so ignorant, nor a troll. And yes, Open systems is easy to detect maliciousness, better yet, you can pin point who contributed what for everyone to see.
I am also against Russian aggression on Ukraine! But would no ban any Russian because of that. The same I am completely against US occupying Iraq and 1/3 of Syria, yet never would occur to me not to hire an American because what their country does. I really don't understand why is so hard to understand for Lemmy community the double standard.
Good! So why the incendiary comments Linus made on Russians. It is so hard to say something like this:
"I have to expel them from the project due to a US law forced us to do it. However, I had trust on them all these years and they contributed a lot to the project (that is why they were working here). Now, I am against the law because we should not discriminate people for the origin. Moreover, the claim that they can harm the software is unwarranted because it is OPEN and many eyes are on it. Finally, this harms the entire Linux project because now makes it an "American"project rather than an global one. Sad times."
Ukraine was invaded after a coup (when elections was 11 months away and polls say would turned pro-western anyways in their typical rotation). Yes Finland, Switzerland and Austria were non NATO are prospered fine, I would say even thrived. Same as Singapore with China. Of course, you can take the Cuba route and bring the nuclear missiles from Moscow, surely US will leave it fine. Side the side you want, keep a strong army but don't join any military alliance seems to be the recipe for success when you leave close to a power you don't like.
With those incendiary comments he did on the people that worked for him for years... I doubt they will be back. If he did not trust them, he would have gotten rid of them years ago. He waited to the deadline to kick them out... good, so he trusted them till now... but then, he despise them from being Russian. I simply don't get it... I don't know... maybe Linus is just an ass or he was forced to say that... I think probably the first.
It is indeed a tax on Americans, but there is far more nuance to the scheme,, and Democrats have been implementing policies to achieve the same, just not so publicized. A post-Trump Democratic leader won´t reverse most of Trump Policies and trade restrictions. Think of Iran-Obama agreement (JCPOA) =, Obama never intended it to be pursue, Then Trump cancelled, then Biden never instituted it back and his administration even told Europeans stop finding a way to bypass US bans on Iran... I really see Europeans really see how the US operates. Again, the intention here is to use this against EU for leverage in what US elite really cares about, US tech and military supremacy in Europe (that, of course, it is not only for sales, but pure control of EU intelligence apparatus and EU data (EU Data Privacy Laws: GDPR is just laughable for any data hosted in services like AWS, like anyone is monitoring encrypted data flowing back and forward across the Atlantic. Also, a portion of European export companies will simply go bankrupt, and what is worse, investment in Europe will dry up since US is a safer bet than a market that gets hit constantly by the US at will.
I lived in the US for many, many years. I had acquired and priced what made me become and its people, from ALL political backgrounds. But for a decade now I have warned Europeans that excess reliance on the US political class is poison for Europe (and the world, really). I think many politicians in Europe have realized this in the last two years too, but are just trying to weather it out until Trump is out of office. Not so, the political aim of the US elite is to drain its allies dry as their contest with China persists. The political difference lies in the methodology, not the final objective. Trump does it abruptly, while many Republicans want to do it more subtly. Democrats, and sorry, most of the cheered progressive Democrats fall in here too, just want to milk the cash-cow a bit longer, but their aim is also to drain allies, though cleverly, trying not to antagonize them in the process.
The future of Europe is not to compete directly against the US or China, that is not possible, but to try to be the Switzerland of the world: a neutral economic area where US, Chinese or Brazilian capital is safe, where researchers from Russia, China, Taiwan or Singapore feel safe and wanted, where there are no discriminatory bans and the rule of law is supreme and predictably independent. The leaders of the EU, as good obedient pro-US leaders they are, are steering the EU in the exact opposite direction, leaving no third player in a world dominated by the US and China as the only choices.
I remember how leaders like Von der Leyen were chosen in secretive rooms (unlike previous EU leaders), and the Parliament just mindlessly rubber-stamps whatever is presented to them. These people are vetted in US embassies and European countries and intelligence agencies should, for one, work for their countries exposing the scheme.
We, the people, both in Europe and the US, should stop the infighting, left vs right, and reframe it as status quo vs awakening political candidates, and give people a feel again of a reason to vote. The racist right in Europe grows because it offers an alternative. Let's strip the racism and hatred from those parties and grab back their urgent demand for change that society is calling for and the masses will follow. I still have to come across a single party that does that.
I am ranting! Linux should be open for all, we should not have fallen this is Pro-Western, or Pro-China, or this or that, it should remain OPEN! We'd just caused Linux to be viewed as the payment messaging SWIFT and a sided institution so others will look for an alternative. Yes, today, after 2 decades, I am a bit Linux fan. I understand Linus had to apply the Presidential Order, he could just point his disagreement and even proposing the foundation to move to Switzerland or Mexico, but he did not; he did not offer his support for the people he dismissed after years and years of working for him.
Yep, the US is so powerful that is why Assad still in power and all regions with large population are kept away from US. Holodomor is highly disputed if is man-made. Specially when you consider Russia had a equally devastated famine at the very same time (Soviet famine of 1930–1933) and another a decade prior (Russian famine of 1921–1922). But of course, we only care about the mostly Ukraine affected one Holodomor one (1932-33) because it fits our anti-Russian agenda. As a rural guy, let me tell you, ironically, when famine strikes, the ones who suffer the most are farmers (a long story to explain here why)... Ukraine and parts of non industrialized Soviet Union all suffered famine and millions upon millions died, no distinctions if they spoke Russian or Ukrainian.
So why Linus waited 2 years and a half to apply the Order until the grace period expires? He obviously does not like Russia, but he did trust those individuals (or system)!
Putin invaded after the US fomented coup. before that, Ukraine just kept alternating pro-western pro-russian governments, the coup was done to prevent that alternation (even though the pro-western was going to win in 11 months, but that was not enough for US). Russia, could just not see being kick out of Crimea by the US with a coup. Imagine Cuba gets the capability of kicking US out of Guantanamo... US would just declare the Guantanamo "lease" as US land in a second. Lets not mention the vital or historical importance Crimea has for Russia that Guantanamo does not for the US.
Agreed. I would comply (US's courts can be very hard with you if you don't) but you can dismiss those Russians with honor and thank them for their contribution. Then, you can consider to move the foundation to a more free environment (Switzerland, Mexico, Spain,...)
Insults apart (to Russians, Floridians and Lemmy community) , I do not blame Ukrainians for anything, specially when they are the biggest victims here. I blame the secret cabinets who decides their destiny for power, let those decisions are from Washington or Moscow, but let me tell you for sure are no from Kyiv. Now, historically, if you live close to a mayor power you do not like much (think of Ukraine or Cuba), the best is to have a strong army but never to join another distant power thinking it will save you, they will just use you.
third parties makes full sense. Of course you have no chance in the next few years but one of two scenarios will happen; 1) the people more and more open up the idea for the 3rd party and use it as a protest vote or 2) one of the duo-party system will try to capitalize on taking those votes by taking their main argument. No third party, no duo-party side has any incentive to remodel at all, they will just wait for the next cycle for their turn and things will continue as is. This is why the US political landscape has corrupted itself to the end.
Usually countries have to decide between butter and guns (eco 101). Well, such "largest militaries on Earth" had it both! Like Switzerland, you do have to keep a strong military to dissuade, but aligning to a alliance when you are the spearhead is bad. Switzerland had made an alliance with France or Germany a century ago, would not have ended non invaded, 100% guaranteed.
intelligent counterargument... and ten upvotes. cool; disappointment a Lemmy community; seem just like another echo chamber as X.
Can you explain me why Linux waited till the very last moment of the Executive Order 14071's grace period (the order is from April 2022!) to apply it? Obviously he trusted those people, or the verification system of the open system! Imagine you don't like a political party for bad... fair enough, so you ban their representatives from voting table... don't you think, that incentivizes the other party committing fraud? In these open system things, the more eyes the better, I don't care if commies, libertarians, ultra-right or whatever, the diversity is what keep it in check..
Executive Order 14071 is more than 2 yrs old... Linus waited till the grace deadline (in 1 week) to apply it, obviously he found it non necessary all this time and he trusted those Russians until the grace period expires. No, not so ignorant, nor a troll. And yes, Open systems is easy to detect maliciousness, better yet, you can pin point who contributed what for everyone to see.
I am also against Russian aggression on Ukraine! But would no ban any Russian because of that. The same I am completely against US occupying Iraq and 1/3 of Syria, yet never would occur to me not to hire an American because what their country does. I really don't understand why is so hard to understand for Lemmy community the double standard.
Good! So why the incendiary comments Linus made on Russians. It is so hard to say something like this: "I have to expel them from the project due to a US law forced us to do it. However, I had trust on them all these years and they contributed a lot to the project (that is why they were working here). Now, I am against the law because we should not discriminate people for the origin. Moreover, the claim that they can harm the software is unwarranted because it is OPEN and many eyes are on it. Finally, this harms the entire Linux project because now makes it an "American"project rather than an global one. Sad times."
Ukraine was invaded after a coup (when elections was 11 months away and polls say would turned pro-western anyways in their typical rotation). Yes Finland, Switzerland and Austria were non NATO are prospered fine, I would say even thrived. Same as Singapore with China. Of course, you can take the Cuba route and bring the nuclear missiles from Moscow, surely US will leave it fine. Side the side you want, keep a strong army but don't join any military alliance seems to be the recipe for success when you leave close to a power you don't like.
With those incendiary comments he did on the people that worked for him for years... I doubt they will be back. If he did not trust them, he would have gotten rid of them years ago. He waited to the deadline to kick them out... good, so he trusted them till now... but then, he despise them from being Russian. I simply don't get it... I don't know... maybe Linus is just an ass or he was forced to say that... I think probably the first.