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on *Permanently Deleted* · c/europe · 5 pts · 252d

Big Euro Win /s.

ā€œDefence is a crucial component of security, and security is a prerequisite for peace, prosperity, international cooperation, and economic and social developmentā€, wrote ASD’s then-Secretary-General Jan Pie. ā€œBy helping to ensure security, European defence manufacturers de facto make a vital contribution to a more sustainable world.ā€

Yeah.

But I do agree, european defence money should not be going to Elbit, Rafael & other Israeli miltech companies. Optimally not to the US either. We should not have gotten in a position where we are distracted by discussions of our suppliers supporting killing civilians in the Middle East while there is a big land war brewing in Europe that we need to deter.

(Moscow does not care whether you are green or not.)

Defence industry cannot be reasonably globalised. It should not be internationalised beyond your closest allies (EU, possibly UK). Depending on far foreign powers’ producers (US, Israel, god forbid we start buying shit from China) is a mistake.

Tools of violence cannot be freely exported like some commercial product, either, but must be handled with responsibility. That is the issue this article addresses, not the alleged hypocrisy of "green weapons" (muh pacifism!!!)

The state must take care of security and provide sufficient resources for an on-demand defence industry - to have the capabilities if they should be called upon. Because yeah, we need defence to go green, socially just etc. - sovereignty is a pre-requisite for these things (unless one is willing to bet again on a benevolent foreign power, like Europe did on the US), and for sovereignty one must have independent self-defence and force projection capabilities.

The End of History did not come, the peace dividend is over, we’re back to power conflict.

And it’s cheaper, too, in the long run.

We would not have needed to cut so many ā€œpeacetimeā€ programs in recent years if the european defence industry was capable of keeping the peace in the east from the beginning, and not only after massive investments to resuscitate it.

Our producers could have been more innovative and efficient if we did not have cheap russian gas and oil; our renewables could have advanced further.

Rambling a bit, na ja.

on *Permanently Deleted* · c/europa · 1 pts · 252d

And it's cheaper, too, in the long run.

We would not have needed to cut so many "peacetime" programs in recent years if the european defence industry was capable of keeping the peace in the east from the beginning, and not only after massive investments to resuscitate it.

Our producers could have been more innovative and efficient if we did not have cheap russian gas and oil; our renewables could have advanced further.

Rambling a bit, na ja.

on *Permanently Deleted* · c/europa · 1 pts · 252d

Defence industry cannot be reasonably globalised. It should not be internationalised beyond your closest allies (EU, possibly UK). Depending on far foreign powers' producers (US, Israel, god forbid we start buying shit from China) is a mistake.

Tools of violence cannot be freely exported like some commercial product, either, but must be handled with responsibility. The state must take care of security and provide sufficient resources for an on-demand defence industry - to have the capabilities if they should be called upon. The End of History did not come, the peace dividend is over, we're back to power conflict.

And yeah, we need defence to go green, socially just etc. - sovereignty is a pre-requisite for these things (unless one is willing to bet again on a benevolent foreign power, like Europe did on the US), and for sovereignty one must have independent self-defence and force projection capabilities.

on *Permanently Deleted* · c/europa · 2 pts · 252d

Big Euro Win.

ā€œDefence is a crucial component of security, and security is a prerequisite for peace, prosperity, international cooperation, and economic and social developmentā€, wrote ASD’s then-Secretary-General Jan Pie. ā€œBy helping to ensure security, European defence manufacturers de facto make a vital contribution to a more sustainable world.ā€

Yeah.

But I do agree, european defence money should not be going to Elbit, Rafael & other Israeli miltech companies. Optimally not to the US either. We should not have gotten in a position where we are distracted by discussions of our suppliers supporting killing civilians in the Middle East while there is a big land war brewing in Europe that we need to deter.

(Moscow does not care whether you are green or not.)

Not just that, but fossil fuel in itself.

For example, last year's (or was it 2023) farmer protests in Germany – the trigger was the plan of the then government to gradually reduce state subsidies for diesel for the farmers.

Ironically, the far-right, who have it in their program that they want to cut all subsidies, successfully hijacked the protests.

If only european farmers could fucking read

Yes, but the Kremlin is not a kindergarten, but an imperial symbol, so once we can and don't need the firepower elsewhere, we would totally maybe collapse a part of it at least, maybe the wall part where moscow rulers do their New Years address. Leave a fat, gaping hole, you know.

Also we are hitting civilian/mixed-use energy infrastructure in russia now, too. So Belgorod (Bilhorod) feels connected to its ancestoral homeland :D (I am sure there is a reason, the 1918 border claim reference, however real it was back then, is a joke)

The newsworthy bit would have been the fact that some media outlets spread this under the headline "russia will withdraw troops as well", missing the point that Rosgvardia is militarised "internal army", mechanised and equipped with artillery etc. Rosgvardia was among the troops marching on Kyiv in 2022. russia definitely wouldn't agree to ukrainian national guard staying in the area, though ...