c/firefox · by juli@programming.dev · 2y

Mozilla 2023 Annual Report: CEO pay skyrockets, while Firefox Marketshare nosedives

https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5053290/mozilla-2023-annual-report-ceo-pay-skyrockets-while-firefox-marketshare-nosedives

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31 Comments

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 2y (12 replies)

Fuck noted racist Bryan Lunduke.

GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 37 pts · 2y (6 replies)

I'm so out of the loop here. Never heard of him before. A quick web search yielded little. But his seemingly-abandoned Twitter profile is...something. https://nitter.net/bryanlunduke

I used to say controversial things that I don't really believe to try and get attention. Now I've changed. Black Lives Matter. He / Him

🤷

What's his deal?

Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 46 pts · 2y (5 replies)

Oh he's very active: conservativenerds.locals.com

He was one of the founding members of Jupiter Broadcasting. Was heavily involved in openSUSE for a long time (maybe even on the board?) and did a lot of Linux journalism. If you've ever seen the annual tongue in cheek "Linux sucks" video, that is him.

It's a huge shame. He's very charismatic and likeable otherwise, I just wish he also wasn't carrying around awful opinions about so many other people.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 2y

Yup, I used to like watching his stuff, but he's kind of become controversial, so screw that.

hal_5700X@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Oh no, he's conservative. Being a conservative itself is not a bad thing.

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 2y

Being a conservative itself is not a bad thing.

What passes in the US as conservative is far right in normal countries.

wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one · 9 pts · 2y

Conservatives beg and scream to differ

pimento64@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 2y

It is, unless you want to spend eternity in a lake of fire.

Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 2y

Good catch.

hal_5700X@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 2y (3 replies)

noted racist

How is he a racist? If he's a noted racist. That must mean there's a ton of proof you can link to, right.

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y (2 replies)

He announced to be against BLM. He claimed that protesting police brutality against black people equates to racism against whites. There's tons of that on the internet, you can google for it yourself. Your lack of basic web search skills is not my problem.

hal_5700X@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y

He announced to be against BLM.

Will...https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-lives-matter-activists-accuse-executive-stealing-10-million-dono-rcna46481 & https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-67272603.

You're making the claim. So it's up you to have the proof and to prove you're not BSing.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y

I'm also against BLM, but I agree with BLM that policing needs a lot of reforms. My solutions are just really different from what they propose, such as:

end qualified immunity - cops that commit crimes should be treated like any other criminal
increase funding for police - the current pay structure and expectations attract power-hungry people, we should adjust both
end civil asset forfeiture
legalize marijuana and decriminalize victimless crimes like drug possession - if there's no victim, there's no crime (and you can't victimize yourself)
split police into armed and unarmed groups - armed police should not be on the regular police beat, only as backup

And so on.

BLM wants to strip the police of their teeth, I want to put a leash on the police and remove the feral officers.

Maybe that's different from what Lunduke means, IDK, I don't follow the guy. But just saying "doesn't support BLM" is not the same as "is racist." Some of my best friends are POC (including my wife), so it's entirely possible to want what's best for them while disagreeing with BLM.

ShortN0te@lemmy.ml · 44 pts · 2y (2 replies)

What an shitty article. It is looking on the revenue, ceo income and market share of only 2 years and trys to make a point.

angrymouse@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 2y

It's this fucking lunduke again, he is a right-wing that tries to call Mozilla for whatever reason from time to time.

Decade4116@awful.systems · 16 pts · 2y

Lunduke is such a contrarian. He cannot help himself from trying to argue that he understands better than common opinion, whether or not his position makes sense.

This is the man who disabled HTTPS on his site because he felt that the fact certificates can expire and domains can change hands made it not secure enough... and that using plain HTTP was somehow a more pragmatic security approach.

atro_city@fedia.io · 25 pts · 2y (2 replies)

We, the community, really need to make a separate browser project. It's clear that Mozilla doesn't care about competing with chrome/chromium. They just want to be in the market to get that sweet google money so that google can't be sued for being a monopoly by funding a "competitor".

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 2y (1 reply)

They spun off the Servo browser project if you want to work on that.

That said browsers are as complex as kernels now a days, it's crazy how much work is involved in it.

atro_city@fedia.io · 4 pts · 2y

If I were a programmer, maybe. They got my financial support on The Linux Foundation. Feel free to donate :)

neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 2y (3 replies)

What methods are being used to measure browser market share? Are those methods inclusive of Firefox users utilizing privacy-forward tools and ad blockers? If not, then Firefox market share may not necessarily be dwindling.

Then again, if Mozilla's revenue stream is aligned with the world of advertising, Firefox users who strive to make themselves invisible to advertisers are being written-off outright by Mozilla. The population of browser market share is only counting those who advertisers can influence - nobody else matters.

GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 15 pts · 2y (2 replies)

I'm not an expert, but I was curious so I did 15 minutes of digging and this is what I found. Take it in context.

Wikipedia's Usage share of web browsers page references two sources for stats: StatCounter and NetMarketShare.

StatCounter is an analytics tool for web site operators. They cover their methodology here: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology . To quote:

Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally.

Their installation guide explains that they use a small JavaScript snippet embedded into the site's HTML.

Firefox blocks this if enhanced tracking protection is set to strict. Discussion on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34502986 . Some commenters there also said that uBlock origin blocks it. I have not confirmed.

NetMarketShare also refers to collecting data from user browsers and requiring JavaScript. https://netmarketshare.com/methodology

I would be interested to see server-side statistics based on HTTP user-agent from major global sites like Wikipedia, but I was not able to find that. I imagine spoofing user-agents is less common than ad blocking and tracker blocking

Edit: Found Wikimedia's browser stats:

https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-sites-by-browser/browser-family-and-major-hierarchical-view

Linked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics#Analytics

Nighed@sffa.community · 4 pts · 2y

I see suggestions to spoof that too for sites that require chrome for example

lemmyvore@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 2y

https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-sites-by-browser

Icalasari@kbin.social · 14 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Dammit, and Firefox is the only browser not jumping on the embedding drm bandwagon...

Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 2y

This article is chudposting, remember that

DangerousInternet@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y (2 replies)

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mosscap@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 2y (1 reply)

I mean, the Mozilla Foundation supports a lot of open-source projects so...a lot of us, and the greater internet as a whole

DangerousInternet@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 2y

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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2y (3 replies)

I think Mozilla the company needs to be rethought

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y (2 replies)

Yeah, that's been the case for like 10 years now.

The focus should be on securing independent funding. This means paid services or increased independent donations. Some ideas:

Mozilla VPN - essentially a wrapper over Mullvad, but the landing page doesn't give a good reason to choose it over Mullvad (e.g. container tabs); choosing a server per site should be front and center
email - I know they tried at some point, but they really should integrate with something like ProtonMail (e.g. FF-specific TLD with service through ProtonMail)
password manager - they have their own solution, but it's FF-only; perhaps have a cobranded Bitwarden that integrates with other Mozilla products cleanly
ad blocker - Mozilla should work with major websites to drop ads and let the user choose between privacy-respecting ads (served by Mozilla based on local browsing history) or anonymous payment (Mozilla would host something like GNU Taler, which you'd load through a method of your choosing)

The last I think could be truly disruptive.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Honestly Mozilla could be a hugely profitable company. There is clearly a market for privacy and freedom tech.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y

Yup, and they have both a for profit and nonprofit part of the org, so it's totally doable. They just need competent leadership who legitimately care about being independent of search money.

reddig33@lemmy.world · -31 pts · 2y

Isn’t Firefox that browser that insists on rolling their own UI instead of using native controls on each platform?