c/globalnews · by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz · 2y

Finland school shooting: Bullying was the motive for attack that killed boy, 12, police say

https://news.sky.com/story/finland-school-shooting-bullying-was-the-motive-for-attack-that-killed-boy-12-police-say-13106947

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Draegur@lemm.ee · 16 pts · 2y (3 replies)

wait so this happened outside the united states? O_O

JimmieJam@lemm.ee · 19 pts · 2y (2 replies)

Yes, because bullying and shitty human behavior and mental health crises happen everywhere.

The big difference to take away from this incident is that this shooter had a handgun and there were "only" (still a fucking horror) a few people shot, vs in America where the shooter has body armor and assault rifles and dozens of people get shot.

ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 2y

I think the key factor here is that the shooter was 12 and incompetent. They're inferior to rifles but you can still kill a bunch of people with a handgun.

JoBo@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2y

Yes, because bullying and shitty human behavior and mental health crises happen everywhere.

Technically, yeah. But still ...

19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN:

United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Nigeria & Pakistan — 4
Afghanistan — 3
Brazil, Canada, France — 2
Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1

wahming@monyet.cc · 1 pts · 2y (9 replies)

Yeah, bullying sucks. The shooter was as much a victim of the situation as any of the others.

PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y (8 replies)

"as much a victim" as a dead child? Hard no.

Yes bullying is wrong, yes being bullied is bad, but killing is worse.

Son_of_dad@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y (1 reply)

He was 12, this was on the adults that failed him

wahming@monyet.cc · 4 pts · 2y

Amazing how few people seem to get that

wahming@monyet.cc · 7 pts · 2y (4 replies)

I'm not about to blame a 12 year old for their actions. Life as a bullied kid can really, really suck. Depression and suicide are common effects of bullying, and as a kid you just don't have the knowledge of how to deal with it.

If you bully / mentally abuse somebody to the point that they commit suicide, my opinion is that you are just as culpable as if you had murdered them yourself. By that standard, I don't see much difference if the victim decides to lash out and take their bully with them. Especially if you're a kid with no long term perspective. If you're in that situation as a kid, you're a victim and the system has failed you.

eatthecake@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Maybe if the 12 year old bully had been held responsible for his behaviour then none of this would have happened. But you can blame a 12 year old for their actions, right?

wahming@monyet.cc · 6 pts · 2y (2 replies)

I know you're being sarcastic, but I actually do agree. It was on the adults to make the situation better, not expect kids to be empathetic enough to not bully others

eatthecake@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2y (1 reply)

If kids can't be expected to not bully others then what can the adults do? If a child bears no responsibility for their behaviour then how do you get them to change? I really don't understand.

wahming@monyet.cc · 5 pts · 2y

Educate the bully, punish the bully, remove opportunities for the bullying, whatever your preferred method. The onus is on the adults to prevent or put a stop to the bullying. The fact that things escalated as much as they did means that none of them stepped in, and that failure is on them.

awwwyissss@lemm.ee · 6 pts · 2y

Bullying kills more through suicide than shooters killing bullys with guns.

It should never happen, but I don't have much pity when a truly abusive bully gets removed from the gene pool.