UPS drivers won “historic heat protections.” They say the company hasn't lived up to that promise.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/ups-drivers-teamsters-heat-protections/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/08/ups-drivers-teamsters-heat-protections/
52 Comments
metaStatic@kbin.earth · 103 pts · 2y
in Australia we have a saying, "38 and out the gate"
I guess in America that would translate to "100 and fuck right off with this shit, I'm going home"
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2y
The company pay the health insurance, they can't just walk away, no matter what.
msage@programming.dev · 22 pts · 2y
What a coincidence, right? Right???
hydrospanner@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
Exactly. This is the system working as intended.
this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Watch me.
metaStatic@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 1y
Do they also pay life insurance?
Anticorp@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Ha! When I was driving a delivery truck for a living it was 110 outside every day, and even hotter in the truck. And loud as fuck. And just all around miserable. I didn't even get health insurance or PTO
verdantbanana@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 2y
the US has not had a proworker president in a long time
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 2y
what do you mean? biden walked the picket line! sure he broke the rail strike, but he was there when it didnt count!
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 2y
An got the rail workers a 14% immediate pay raise, an additional 25% over 5 years, a PTO day, and in the followup as he promised, an additional 4 sicks days and 3 convertible.
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2y
He subverted the will of the union using the might of the government. It doesnt matter what happened after that, as a union man that is the definition of anti worker.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2y
I agree, but leaving it out is still lying about what actually happened.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
It's not lying at all, omission is only a lie if it's misleading or nefarious, this is neither.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 2y
You can certainly make that call for yourself. I disagree.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I mean it's a fact.... You didn't add context you added an excuse. "Oh it's not as bad because x"
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
How so? He broke a strike. I said he broke a strike. It can't much more factual then that.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2y
Context is important.
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2y
Context for a joke? Do you expect context in a Colbert monologue? I'm not sure if that makes it funnier. My point is factually correct. Its a joke, not a new york times article.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2y
OK.
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I was genuinely curious about your view point. If you lack the convictions to defend your characterization of my statement, and me personally by proxy, then maybe you shouldn't be calling me a liar with such authority.
verdantbanana@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
after threatening them with their livelihoods and retirement yes, he gave them a small amount of what they were demanding
not a victory and he is not a champion of worker's rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 2y
I didn't call him a champion of workers rights.
I corrected the misinformation by exclusion suggested by the statement.
Edit: And for the record, the followup was in February 2023. Which was after the part you posted from the Wikipedia entry, which kind of matches the whole... Misinformation by exclusion part I've been commenting on.
Please don't do that.
Sunforged@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2y
Biden only picked up that ball after the East Palestine disaster vindicated all the reasons the union wanted to strike in the first place. It was a PR move because he had blood on his hands.
For comparison a single socialist city council member in Seattle pushed and won the for 12 days of sick leave for the entire city back in 2012. 4 days is bread crumbs. They would have gotten a much better deal had they just been left alone to strike and negotiate.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2y
And does any of that impact the ability to tell the whole truth, rather than partial?
When you exclude important details, you're doing your argument a disservice through misinformation. This has nothing to do with my opinion on Biden, which is not a positive one, but my opinion on intentionally leaving out important details. Which, to me, is no better than just flat out lying.
verdantbanana@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2y
to clarify yes did cherry pick paragraphs
my goal was to not have a screen's worth of text unless people desired it hence the links
did not personally feel it interfered with the facts as of today's date since Biden's career has on the whole been center right in his politics especially with worker's rights
but will in the future take more heed of the dates involved
kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
A PTO day lmao. And you wonder why people are pissed he broke up the strike.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
I'm not remotely surprised, and I didn't support him pushing to stop the strike either.
That doesn't mean I think its OK to leave out what he did do to exagerrate a position.
roofuskit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Do you know why they were striking? Low staffing levels leading to long hours, overworked staff, and building safety concerns as a result.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
What part of my comment makes it appear as if I wasn't aware?
kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
He still broke the strike subverting the will of the workers. That is a slap in the face and undercuts the pto day they get a year.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
He did.
As well as get a pay raise, a guarantee of additional raises, PTO, additional sick days, and convertible days.
Pretending nothing was done undercuts the issue, and spreads misinformation about what actually happened.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
And set the power of unions back decades by breaking the strike too!
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
25% over 5 years works out to 4.5% a year, and he "won" that during 8% inflation.
In reality they're getting a pay cut.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
So fucking tired of every top comment in a serious thread being sarcastic
SO fucking tired
Entropywins@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
IDGAF about working with people like you, I'm just so fuckdamn tired of you and your ilk turning lemmy into modern reddit.
Humor isn't the issue, this clearly isn't the place for it.
Be better
Entropywins@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
You're actually proud of enshittifying reddit?
What a worthless human.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
Yeah, the last time was Carter. The Clintons basically broke the alliance between the national level Dems and labor unions and they've been adversaries most of the time since.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
According to video I watch it was under Cater they truck driving union was taken out and deregulated the industry. Fucking over truck drivers. So no not even Cater was pro worker.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
people cannot pay as much as corporations, this will continue till we get money out of politics.
All candidates that qualify should get a flat grant from the government for their campaign, every candidate gets the same amount.
NO private donations
NO corporate donations
NO Super PACs
none of this bullshit.
But it won't ever happen because we are too busy fighting with each other to even agree to point at the owner class as the problem.
Anticorp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
As is intended.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
Winning a lawsuit in the US against any company is a useless victory, because they'll just promise whatever and then give you the finger and laugh while shouting "why don't you sue us to get it!?"