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c/palestine · by Linkerbaan@lemmy.world · 1y

Wikipedia defines Zionism as ‘colonialism,’ sparking outrage

https://www.jns.org/wikipedia-defines-zionism-as-colonialism-sparking-outrage/

At the center of the debate are key changes in the language used to describe Zionism, the movement that called for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel.

The 2023 version of the page framed Zionism as a nationalist movement born in the 19th century that sought to secure Jewish self-determination.

In contrast, the 2024 version of the entry introduces more charged terminology, describing Zionism as an “ethno-cultural nationalist” movement that engaged in “colonization of a land outside of Europe,” with a heightened focus on the resulting conflicts with Palestinian Arabs.

“Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible,” it reads.

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carl_dungeon@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 1y

I mean, if the shoe fucking fits right?

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 1y

“Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible”

Where is the lie?

slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 48 pts · 1y

About fucking time Wikipedia

Daerun@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 1y

Wikipedia is always updating its content to be more accurate.

Linkerbaan@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Destiny in shambles

oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org · -3 pts · 1y (4 replies)
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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y (2 replies)

A notorious Zionist who gets all his propaganda from Wikipedia.

oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org · -7 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y

No Destiny reads debunked propaganda. In his "debate" with Finkelstein he claimed Finkelstein lied about those four boys on a beach by quoting the IDF's debunked statement about a "Hamas compound" which was never found.

Destiny is a very poorly researched Hasbara troll.

GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y

He's a notorious Zionism apologist

communism@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 1y (3 replies)

That's how Zionists themselves define Zionism, so...

PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1y

Yea, but you aren't supposed to actually SAY that.

mearce@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Did this happen in an official capacity/appears in writing? Or is this just the common understanding?

/gen

communism@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1y

Yes, Herzl himself referred to Zionism as a colonial movement. In a 1902 letter to Cecil Rhodes:

You are being invited to help make history. It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen but Jews … How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.

The first Zionist banks were called "Jewish Colonial Trust" too. The nascent Zionist movement was always an openly colonial project. I suppose now that colonialism is not the cool thing to do anymore some Zionists are shying away from the term, but some still do openly identify their politics that way.

Sakychu@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y

I mean so what? The references always called it a colonization..

dessalines@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 1y

Some quotes from the founder af Zionism, Theodore Herzl:

Supposing, for example, we were obliged to clear a country of wild beasts, we should not set about the task in the fashion of Europeans of the fifth century. We should not take spear and lance and go out singly in pursuit of bears; we would organize a large and active hunting party, drive the animals together, and throw a melinite bomb into their midst.

If it is God’s will that we return to our historic fatherland, we should like to do so as representatives of Western civilization, and bring cleanliness, order, and the well-distilled customs of the Occident to this plague-ridden, blighted comer of the Orient.

If whole branches of Jews must be destroyed, it is worth it, as long as a Jewish state in Palestine is created.

We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.

miljadisra@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Immigrants Pirates no shame stealing Palestinian land.

reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y

Maybe I'll finally donate.

Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

The jewish and the palestinians have something in common. They were both driven from their home. It's a shame that coexistence wasn't the way it went but that's humans for you... everyone who isn't one of you is an other, and humans hate others.

Peace seems to always lose.

anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y

driven from their home.

Maybe the Zionists should have taken that to the EUROPEANS WHO DID THAT and forced seizure of THEIR land and made THEM compensate; not passed that shit off on palestinians and colonize them who had nothing to do with european judeophobia. equating these two is ridiculous because the Palestinians are resisting against THE VERY PEOPLE WHO TOOK THEIR LAND, rather than going to some other, poorer place, and getting funneled weapons to brutalize and colonize and genocide them. You don't see Palestinians driving tanks and bombs into Namibian villages and mass murdering them and stealing their land.

These things are not equal and it takes real liberal 'enlightened centrist' brainworms to speak in such vapid vacant platitudes as you are doing. friend your brain needs dewormed.

anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y

wikipedia more accurate on Israeli occupation than the politics of Ukrainian nazi groups like azov and right sektor who would've thought

RandomGuy79@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

What does it say about Arab colonists

Linkerbaan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

Conquest is when territory is incorporated into a state or empire. That means a new system of governance for the population of a land. Examples are the Romans and Arabs.

Settler colonialism is when a non native population decides to migrate to already inhabited land by murdering and/or expelling the natives. Examples are israel and Apartheid South Africa