Ukraine's Zelenskyy says he wants to end war with Russia through diplomacy next year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-zelenskyy-diplomacy-trump/

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 1y (18 replies)

The idea that it is possible to "diplomacy" your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn't funny at all.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.

Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don't believe he believes in what he's saying).

sparky@lemmy.federate.cc · 20 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I don’t think he’s being naive, he knows Trump is going to hang him out to dry, and he can’t win without ongoing US support. So if he’s come to the conclusion that defeat is inevitable, or at least that victory is impossible, then it makes sense to start posturing to that effect, to try to get the best outcome possible later at the negotiating table.

FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Putin already has his land corridor to Crimea, so why does he fight on? Simply, he doesn't really have a lasting victory unless he achieves regime change in Kyiv. But the idea that the Russian army will simply walk over half the country, install a puppet leader and then go home and everything will be fine is beyond absurd. A defeated occupied Ukraine will be Chechnya x 100 for Russia. Endless droves of dead Russian soldiers succumbing to guerrilla attacks for decades to come.

Georgia is deep in with the EU, has talked about NATO before. Obvs Turkey is EU aligned. As would West Ukraine if any kind of peace . Putin's lost already. His deep sea port on crimea is already surrounded by countries that align with the EU, its legal norms, plus the eventual option of NATO membership.

ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 1y

Well, I suppose bending over for a couple of dictators to fuck you (but more importantly, your people, and then who ever those two decide to invade next) is a kind of posture.. 🙄

Subverb@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y (1 reply)

He's responding to his talks with Trump. He knows US support is going to fade fast under the new guy. He's trying to save his country.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y

Then dust off those nuke plans...

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y

Oh wow, you got the tankies to come out in force

davel@lemmy.ml · -9 pts · 1y (9 replies)

conflict with a dictator

Only one of these leaders is unelected, and it’s not the one you think.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

I doubt that, but its moot since Russia would inevitably win this war of attrition without having to do it. Also, the whole Russian meat grinder/meat wave thing is just recycled WWII Nazi war propaganda BS.

now that he has his American buddy back in place

CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016

now with added musk funds

Right, Enron Musk is personally keeping the Russian economy afloat with his own money 😂 This one really takes the cake.

Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Logistically, how should Ukraine have held an election earlier this year, on account of dealing with an active invasion and contested territory?

davel@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I don’t know. How should Ukraine have held an election when it has banned eleven political parties? Ukraine had a US-backed coup ten years ago[1][2]. It is nothing close to a democracy.

Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Ok but that doesn't change that they're being actively invaded by Russia right now. That does tend to put a pretty big damper on a country's ability to conduct secure elections.

Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly? I was under the impression that there are a lot of issues with political repression and electrical fraud, but admit that some of those notions could be more propaganda than reality. I'll be reading more into Russian electoral politics and history in the meanwhile.

From what I read so far, it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory. I'm not sure what to make of that.

davel@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 1y

Do you believe the elections in Russia are held fairly?

Putin seems to be genuinely popular, so how fair the last presidential election was is somewhat moot. I think he had a clear majority regardless. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.

it looks like Russia actually did hold elections for their own government within occupied Ukrainian territory.

I can’t speak to the quality of those elections. Eastern Ukraine had been in a civil war with western Ukraine for almost a decade, and many eastern Ukrainians wanted a Russian intervention, but I’m no expert and couldn’t say what percentage wanted one. Back in 2014, Crimea was very easy to annex, because most Crimeans wanted to be annexed. And they fared better than their friends to their north, who suffered almost a decade of attacks by western Ukrainian Banderites.

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y (4 replies)

What's it like in that Tank? Is the bread and vodka good? How's the heating?

davel@lemmy.ml · -9 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Doubling down on Russiagate conspiracy theories isn’t the own you think it is.

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Oh you misconstrued my comment.

I'm calling you a Tankie, not that you're a Russian Troll. Merely a useful idiot.

davel@lemmy.ml · -9 pts · 1y (1 reply)

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

You are the populist engine of change my Friend

bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org · -24 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

Funny, because it's exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven't managed to escape his regime.

Zachariah@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y

Yeah, if either leader’s army would just leave Ukraine, the war would instantly be over.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

md5crypto@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Shitlibs want endless war in Ukraine, till the last Ukrainian is dead.

jaemo@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 1y

Alsephina@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 1y (1 reply)

So it looks like it's finally happening?

chillBurner@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 1y

The best time to take ceasefire was before.

The second best time is now

EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y (1 reply)

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y

They would be forced to increase the bribery for Ukrainian suicide. The project was always a weapons and oil slush fund, and those constituents can be kept happy with a war on Iran.

Korkki@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (4 replies)

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

_pi@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 1y

Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine's coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he's forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1y (2 replies)

They absolutely can. Easily. They made a peace deal shortly after war started, but Zelensky accepted weapons bribe promises to keep going instead. As they are nearing the last Ukrainian, and the bribes will dry up, something close to original deal will happen instead. Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.

Korkki@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.

Zelensky's dilemma is that his real powerbase are the militant ultranationalists who surround him, who make up a double edged sword for him. Even if the Ukrainian people would have wanted peace yesterday they are not armed or organized. Zelensky still needs the nationalists around him to stand between him and possible popular uprising and the more moderate wing of the army doing a coup. If Zelensky goes for peace he fears that the nationalists around him will see that as an betrayal of Ukraine, them and those who have sacrificed their lives for their project and will turn on him and arrange an "Russian missile strike" in his office that will kill him and end any negotiations. You must understand that despite being called nationalists, the banderites love their imaginary version of Ukraine more than the actual nation. Ukraine bending the knee to Russia would save the real Ukraine, but it would destroy their ideal version of it and doom and taint their idea of Ukrainian nationalism forever.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y

You are correct in assessment of Ukraine power dynamics. But there may be a realism hit taking place if US won't fund the war. The banderites/Zelensky may wish to become South Korea. The "Musk ceasefire with EU peacekeepers" is South Korea with continued skirmishes, and not something Russia will fall for. "Listening to Russia's concerns" is a peace plan. Given Ukraine's path, mentioning peace may be Zelensky's way to threaten a better offer from West.

davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y (5 replies)

None of my web browsers knows what to do with https://prod.vodvideo.cbsnews.com/cbsnews/vr/hls/3330898_hls/master.m3u8 nor does VLC.

0t79JeIfK01RHyzo@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y (4 replies)

yt-dlp converts it to a mp4 successfully for me.

yt-dlp https://prod.vodvideo.cbsnews.com/cbsnews/vr/hls/3330898_hls/master.m3u8

griefstricken@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y

Unbelievably common YT-DLP W. YT-DWP if you will.

davel@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Huh, thanks! Based on its name I assumed it was exclusively for YouTube.

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0t79JeIfK01RHyzo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

It's kinda wild.

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/supportedsites.md

It also works in places I wouldn't have expected it, like Twitch livestreams

yt-dlp https://www.twitch.tv/amazonmusic

davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y

lol

$ curl -sL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/refs/heads/master/supportedsites.md | grep -i porn | wc -l
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griefstricken@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y

My buddy says he's going to stop drinking next year. 🤠

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y (21 replies)

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

md5crypto@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y (3 replies)

ask yourself in whose interest is it to continue this insane war.

Alsephina@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y (2 replies)

(Military corporations in the US and Russia)

tiredturtle@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

And let's not forget Russia's support from that batch. This war is just another money scheme

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y

True. DC is not an irradiated pile of ruble because of the theater of permawar that Russia eventually wins is the script. US loses all wars because victory ends a war, and brings oil prices back down.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1y (5 replies)

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

Cryan24@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y (4 replies)
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Socialism. I wrote an intro reading list for Marxism if you want to check it out.

Cryan24@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 1y (2 replies)
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y

That's not what Socialism is, or even Communism. In every existing Socialist state, people have gotten higher or lower pay for different levels of intensity or skill. If getting paid the same is "the problem with pure socialism" then it sounds like it's all cleared up!

Secondly, Social Democracy still relies on Capitalism, which necessarily moves in the direction of increased disparity and centralization of power in fewer and fewer hands. Moreover, as companies spread internationally, Capitalism turns to Imperialism, whereby workers in the Global South are paid a fraction of the wages a worker in the Global North would be paid. This form of hyper-exploitation for super-profits results in dramatically unequal exchange and underdevelopment. Socialism is the way forward, beyond this system of exploitation and eventual collapse.

I really recommend you give at least the first section of my reading list a try.

PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (10 replies)

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1y (9 replies)

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y (8 replies)

I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 1y (7 replies)

Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y (6 replies)

You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 1y (4 replies)

No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I'm thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn't a random beaming of empathy in humanity.

tiredturtle@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y

Slavery still exists in multiple different forms tho

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y

Whatever, you’re missing the point.

davel@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y

What drives us ultimately is our material conditions. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you. BTW, Harris’ dad is a Marxist, which is where I’m sure her comment sprang from.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 1y (6 replies)

Very hopeful,

"We have to understand what the Russians want," Zelenskyy said.

That would mean peace instead of Ukraine becoming a new South Korea. Ukraine led peace negotiations can bring China in to outbid blackrock for the ruins in the country, and perhaps Chinese peacekeepers instead of nazi EU supporters. The Musk plan that was floated is a non-starter with Russia. EU trade deal finally happening is something Zelensky can try for, but Ukraine's purpose was always suicide to the last Ukrainian, and everything dangled as a carrot disappears when they let go of that course.

EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers instead of weaponized nazification to be relevant in the peace.

davel@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers

The offers are likely to be predatory IMF/World Bank loans leading to even more neoliberal/neocolonial privatization & austerity.

The US hasn’t given Ukraine a blessed thing: they’ve all been lend-leases that will take the Ukrainian people generations to pay off.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y

Yes. While the original permawar/10+ year plan was to the very last Ukrainian, there is still a substantial discount available to Blackrock or US-controlled IMF paying blackrock to take over Ukraine. Unlike the ww2 and post ww2 lend-lease agreements that were government controlled, and had the unfortunate side effect of providing US treasury revenue, Blackrock can directly compensate rulers kind enough to grant it riches.

Russia, as in 2014 Yanukovych times, becomes a reconstruction alternative, with new entrant China able to make offers. Blackrock taking everything for free is harder when a peace deal is made where there is a sliver of Ukrainians left.

griefstricken@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y

That would be nice, I think you're right. I don't think they are serious though, sadly.

LANIK2000@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1y (2 replies)

TIL that bickering over and then eventually sending your left over equipment and other miscellaneous trash to a country under a genocidal invasion is "weaponized nazification".

Most of what the EU sends is financial reconstruction aid. People here are too pussy to send any real help. You're making the EU sound a lot more competent by paining us as some shadow entity manipulation Ukraine.

davel@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

a country under a genocidal invasion

These claims of genocide by Russia are projection by Western propaganda.

LANIK2000@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

Not sure what a random definition without explanation, follow be so called "western propaganda", say about genocide in Russia. All you've proven is that the west claims there is genocide. That barely tells us anything at all about Russia!

Let me complete your case and actually include something from the Kremlin as opposed to only "western propaganda". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCWBhuDdDo Here Putin explains why he started this war. He turns the interview into a 2 hour lecture about why Ukrainians don't and never existed and therefor can't have the free will to want to be independent and must be reminded of how they're all actually Russian. Now if that's not a textbook definition of genocide, I don't know what is.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 1y (7 replies)

No chance of help to protect his homeland from belligerent invasion? You've got to cut the losses.

Then Russia can invade in another 10 years and take more. Yay! It can be an every-decade thing!

griefstricken@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y

Russia is not just this blob of ooze that wants to consume more land. It took them a decade to come to the aid of the regions that the Bandera worshipping post-Maidan government turned on, and much of the Ukrainian army defected to.

bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org · -2 pts · 1y (5 replies)

He is not "protecting his homeland". He is flying around the world telling people that he does that, that he protects democracy and so on, while people are trapped in his prison, kidnapped off the streets and sent to the meatgrinder.

Railcar8095@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y (4 replies)

When I read comments like this I do wonder if there's any point trying to reason. You either are too far indoctrinated or just reading the script.

bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org · 2 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Ah I'm so sorry for disliking Zelensky trying to kill me, my family, friends and every other Ukrainian

Railcar8095@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I guess you're right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy...

In your case I'm leaning on indoctrination. I don't think they'll hand you such a retarded script.

Nice instance BTW. Surely it's not you with 10 accounts trying to circumvent bans.

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y

There are several videos of Ukrainian military kidnappings of men in Ukrainian towns, with the caption of "drafting them".

bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org · 1 pts · 1y

I guess you’re right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces

If he were to stop his aggression at Ukrainians, I would be satisfied already.

freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy…

Democracy? What democracy? Did you mean to say Zelensky's authoritarian regime where people are treated worse than dogs?