I agree that social surplus is appropriated by capitalists, be they capitalists within capitalism or socialism. Regardless of the overall system, capitalists definitionally appropriate surplus. My bigger point is that in capitalism, both the public and the private sector reinforce and support capitalists, while in socialism both the private and public sector support and reinforce the proletariat. As you said of capitalism, even state-run social services shouldn't really be thought of as socialist. My point is that the reverse is true of marketization in socialist economies, as they ultimately are under the control and dominance of the proletariat through the socialist state, and are employed for their progressive utility in socializing the productive forces, preparing the base for more developed socialism.
Ultimately, though, this is largely semantics. Capitalists exist in China, and they profit immensely. They differ from their western counterparts, however, in the fact that they have no political power, do not form an organized class, and are constantly working towards their own erosion as a class as they centralize and socialize the productive forces. This is the mirror of how state-services in the US, including the military and welfare stage, both ultimately prop up imperialism and protect the rule of capitalism.
Still, I suppose it might be helpful for those entirely unaware of dialectics to simply see them as "socialist" and "capitalist" sectors, but I do think that this deeper nuance is required to establish why reformism and simply expanding the public sector in capitalism is not socialism, and why marketization was not a move towards capitalism but towards higher developed socialism in China.
I linked Jerusalem Post saying Russia is committing genocide. Either you do not believe Zionism is far-right, or you are deliberately dodging this.
As for Ukraine, yes, it was a member state. This does not mean a Ukrainian Nazi is a "soviet Nazi," soviet is not an ethnicity. He was a Ukrainian Nazi, fighting against soviet Ukrainians and the rest of the Soviet Union.
I don't think it makes sense to classify the private sector as the "capitalist" sector, and the public sector as the "socialist" sector. The same would be true in the US Empire, with the military and whatnot as the "socialist" sector of the economy. The actual identity of an overall economy is in the principal aspect, and this is crucial because the rest of the economy, even if it isn't within said principal aspect, is constantly either reinforcing or working its way towards said principal aspect.
This, I think, is the most useful way to explain to newcomers why China is socialist. It isn't about ratios of public to private, nor about being mixed, as nearly all economies are de facto mixed, even if de jure they are not. We can instead identify and explain this principal aspect as a use of dialectical and historical materialism.
Do you disagree with the idea that Jerusalem Post is far-right? It sounds like you're saying Zionism is a neutral thing, and not entirely fascist. There are many far-right sources backing your claims, and practically no liberal ones. Liberals you know personally are not sources, it's not uncommon for liberals to hold unsubstantiated far-right views.
As for Canada and applauding a Ukrainian Nazi, said Nazi fought against the Soviets. Soviet is not an ethnicity. Canada is a right-wing imperialist settler-colony with a deep history of supporting Nazis after World War II. The fact that far-right sources align with Israel on allegations of genocide isn't a point in your favor.
Can't help but notice you ignored my questions. Does the fact that Ukraine is fighting back against Russia give them the right to venerate Nazis, and actively assist with the genocide of Palestine? What about arming and training far-right militias for use in Latin America to kill off leftists?
Supporting Palestine seems to be something you think matters mentally, not materially. As in, you think it's tragic that it's happening, but materially you'll do nothing, just continue supporting Israel's allies.
We need to detangle "markets" from "capitalism," just like public ownership in capitalist economies is not "a slice of socialism." Economies are deeply interwoven and support the principal aspect of the economy, this is what determines identity. The US is not a socialist economy for having a public sector, nor is this public sector a socialist sector. There are private and public sectors, what determined the identity is the principal aspect, as well as the class that dominates the state.
You can still talk to exchange students who attend Kim Il Sung university and other visitors to the DPRK. There are also those from the DPRK who work abroad, such as those in China, as well as those who live in New York for UN purposes.
China is a socialist country. The commanding heights and backbone of the economy are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, within a state controlled and dominated by the proletariat. The existence of private capital is in petty bourgeois sole proprietorships and agricultural cooperatives, as well as in medium and highly competitive industries. The purpose of this decision is the Marxist analysis that marketization accelerates the socialization of production and distribution, thereby preparing the material base for widespread collectivization.
As for the DPRK, it certainly isn't a utopia, but it is an existing socialist state. Like China, public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. It also has free or low-cost housing, free healthcare and education, low working hours, and the economy is doing better than ever before, with even car ownership rising in major cities like Pyongyang despite intense trade embargo.
No, which is why they aren't, and even liberal consensus agrees that Russia isn't committing genocide, as we have established. As we discussed already, it's largely the far-right that strongly supports Israel and its widely documented genocide of Palestine that actually believes Russia is committing genocide.
Does the fact that Ukraine is fighting back against Russia give them the right to venerate Nazis, and actively assist with the genocide of Palestine? What about arming and training far-right militias for use in Latin America to kill off leftists?
Is the fact that the right-wing has rivals within the right evidence of one of them not being right-wing? What is this non-sequitor? The fact of the matter is that Canada has a long and hidden history of caping for Nazis, and it wasn't pure accident that one got elevated to appearing before parliament. In fact, said Nazi was a Ukrainian member of the SS, a direct connection to the modern issue of Nazis in positions of power in Ukraine, and glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera.
Zionists are far-right, I thought we established that. As for Canada, yes, they are. They are not only complicit in the genocide of Palestine, but gave a standing ovation to a literal Nazi. Are the Nazis not far-right?
Yep, it's saying that multiple right-wing dominated entities allege genocide is going on. Check the sources, most of them come from either Ukraine, or countries like Poland, Israel, etc. We already established that the far-right believes genocide is going on and has alleged it as such. Wikipedia is not taking a firm stance in definitively declaring that these allegations are correct, though it certainly does try to hide their biases by claiming Kiev Independent is an "independent media outlet."
The fact that you agree, above all, with what Zionists believe, and reject even right-wing liberal consensus, is what's problematic here.
China is a socialist state. In order to get to communism, a global, fully collectivized economy, we need to establish socialism, where the working classes control the authority of the state.
I agree that social surplus is appropriated by capitalists, be they capitalists within capitalism or socialism. Regardless of the overall system, capitalists definitionally appropriate surplus. My bigger point is that in capitalism, both the public and the private sector reinforce and support capitalists, while in socialism both the private and public sector support and reinforce the proletariat. As you said of capitalism, even state-run social services shouldn't really be thought of as socialist. My point is that the reverse is true of marketization in socialist economies, as they ultimately are under the control and dominance of the proletariat through the socialist state, and are employed for their progressive utility in socializing the productive forces, preparing the base for more developed socialism.
Ultimately, though, this is largely semantics. Capitalists exist in China, and they profit immensely. They differ from their western counterparts, however, in the fact that they have no political power, do not form an organized class, and are constantly working towards their own erosion as a class as they centralize and socialize the productive forces. This is the mirror of how state-services in the US, including the military and welfare stage, both ultimately prop up imperialism and protect the rule of capitalism.
Still, I suppose it might be helpful for those entirely unaware of dialectics to simply see them as "socialist" and "capitalist" sectors, but I do think that this deeper nuance is required to establish why reformism and simply expanding the public sector in capitalism is not socialism, and why marketization was not a move towards capitalism but towards higher developed socialism in China.
I linked Jerusalem Post saying Russia is committing genocide. Either you do not believe Zionism is far-right, or you are deliberately dodging this.
As for Ukraine, yes, it was a member state. This does not mean a Ukrainian Nazi is a "soviet Nazi," soviet is not an ethnicity. He was a Ukrainian Nazi, fighting against soviet Ukrainians and the rest of the Soviet Union.
Ukraine and Israel are strong allies with mutual agreements and material support.
Would definitely be useful.
I don't think it makes sense to classify the private sector as the "capitalist" sector, and the public sector as the "socialist" sector. The same would be true in the US Empire, with the military and whatnot as the "socialist" sector of the economy. The actual identity of an overall economy is in the principal aspect, and this is crucial because the rest of the economy, even if it isn't within said principal aspect, is constantly either reinforcing or working its way towards said principal aspect.
This, I think, is the most useful way to explain to newcomers why China is socialist. It isn't about ratios of public to private, nor about being mixed, as nearly all economies are de facto mixed, even if de jure they are not. We can instead identify and explain this principal aspect as a use of dialectical and historical materialism.
Awesome sources though!
Do you disagree with the idea that Jerusalem Post is far-right? It sounds like you're saying Zionism is a neutral thing, and not entirely fascist. There are many far-right sources backing your claims, and practically no liberal ones. Liberals you know personally are not sources, it's not uncommon for liberals to hold unsubstantiated far-right views.
As for Canada and applauding a Ukrainian Nazi, said Nazi fought against the Soviets. Soviet is not an ethnicity. Canada is a right-wing imperialist settler-colony with a deep history of supporting Nazis after World War II. The fact that far-right sources align with Israel on allegations of genocide isn't a point in your favor.
Can't help but notice you ignored my questions. Does the fact that Ukraine is fighting back against Russia give them the right to venerate Nazis, and actively assist with the genocide of Palestine? What about arming and training far-right militias for use in Latin America to kill off leftists?
Supporting Palestine seems to be something you think matters mentally, not materially. As in, you think it's tragic that it's happening, but materially you'll do nothing, just continue supporting Israel's allies.
We need to detangle "markets" from "capitalism," just like public ownership in capitalist economies is not "a slice of socialism." Economies are deeply interwoven and support the principal aspect of the economy, this is what determines identity. The US is not a socialist economy for having a public sector, nor is this public sector a socialist sector. There are private and public sectors, what determined the identity is the principal aspect, as well as the class that dominates the state.
You can still talk to exchange students who attend Kim Il Sung university and other visitors to the DPRK. There are also those from the DPRK who work abroad, such as those in China, as well as those who live in New York for UN purposes.
Yep, this is a smear post. Even if people disagree with MLs, nobody should confuse the fact that MLs hate the ACP.
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Impossible.
Yep! The ACFTU is the world's largest federation of trade unions.
Yea, imagine believing western countries, amirite?
China is a socialist country. The commanding heights and backbone of the economy are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, within a state controlled and dominated by the proletariat. The existence of private capital is in petty bourgeois sole proprietorships and agricultural cooperatives, as well as in medium and highly competitive industries. The purpose of this decision is the Marxist analysis that marketization accelerates the socialization of production and distribution, thereby preparing the material base for widespread collectivization.
As for the DPRK, it certainly isn't a utopia, but it is an existing socialist state. Like China, public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. It also has free or low-cost housing, free healthcare and education, low working hours, and the economy is doing better than ever before, with even car ownership rising in major cities like Pyongyang despite intense trade embargo.
Source?
No, which is why they aren't, and even liberal consensus agrees that Russia isn't committing genocide, as we have established. As we discussed already, it's largely the far-right that strongly supports Israel and its widely documented genocide of Palestine that actually believes Russia is committing genocide.
Does the fact that Ukraine is fighting back against Russia give them the right to venerate Nazis, and actively assist with the genocide of Palestine? What about arming and training far-right militias for use in Latin America to kill off leftists?
Is the fact that the right-wing has rivals within the right evidence of one of them not being right-wing? What is this non-sequitor? The fact of the matter is that Canada has a long and hidden history of caping for Nazis, and it wasn't pure accident that one got elevated to appearing before parliament. In fact, said Nazi was a Ukrainian member of the SS, a direct connection to the modern issue of Nazis in positions of power in Ukraine, and glorifying Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera.
Zionists are far-right, I thought we established that. As for Canada, yes, they are. They are not only complicit in the genocide of Palestine, but gave a standing ovation to a literal Nazi. Are the Nazis not far-right?
Yep, it's saying that multiple right-wing dominated entities allege genocide is going on. Check the sources, most of them come from either Ukraine, or countries like Poland, Israel, etc. We already established that the far-right believes genocide is going on and has alleged it as such. Wikipedia is not taking a firm stance in definitively declaring that these allegations are correct, though it certainly does try to hide their biases by claiming Kiev Independent is an "independent media outlet."
The fact that you agree, above all, with what Zionists believe, and reject even right-wing liberal consensus, is what's problematic here.
Fair enough, even the Zionist BBC isn't far-right enough to definitively state that there is genocide in Ukraine, citing a lack of evidence, and only saying there are "risks of genocide." You'll have to go directly to the Zionists at the Jerusalem Post for that.
Odd that the BBC isn't right enough to agree with you, but the Zionists at JP are fine and agree entirely with your claims.
China is a socialist state. In order to get to communism, a global, fully collectivized economy, we need to establish socialism, where the working classes control the authority of the state.