Same but I think it will soon not be enough. I still cant believe it's now so difficult to not be a google product, this is a digital nightmare built by decades of unregulated capitalism. Kiss my ass GAFAM.
I mean, nothing is forcing anyone to use any specific product, and there are certainly smartphones with neither Android or iOS.
Personally, at some point I will switch from iPhone to an Android device that can work with something independent like /e/ or one of the other decent ones.
Different threat models have different necessities. I believe a regular user should avoid Google ( or rather all of GAFAMBATX) connections at all costs. I think everybody (me included, of course) is better off with a dumbphone than a Degoogled phone.
It's obvious we have different opinions, I respect your right to run any system as you want. I don't think I have any more to contribute to this topic.
Yeah I’m not really disagreeing with you it’s just I don’t run anything that’s as privacy-necessary as you. My actual phone is iPhone and all the Android stuff I experiment with are lab systems for tinkering, rom mod testing etc. If I had anything that was being used for any really private or sensitive data, hell yes I would use something completely detached from anything google.
Its a common misconception that banking apps don't work on grapheneOS.
In some cases there is a feature call "expliot protection compatibility mode" that you have to enable, but the OS does it automatically for most banking apps.
Wish the EU would start a lawsuit against them for that. It is blatantly anti-competitive and responsible for the death of so many messaging apps.
But I guess the EU is content with non-interoperable Whatsapp harvesting and gatekeeping the personal communication of almost every citizen. Even worse than Google Messages IMO.
Can't wait for it to completely mangle all my alarms. Google assistants already tell me "you don't have a list called grocery" when I ask if bread is on it, but is happy to add it to the list again when I tell it to.
That's the whole point. Google assistant sucks because it only understands commands, and doesn't understand natural language. This is Google's attempt at making a truly great assistant, as they always envisioned it to be. Personally, I am very excited as there is a lot of potential in the technology. It would be a shame if they don't execute well on it.
Might be an unpopular opinion but, this sounds really exciting to me. I hate fidgeting with my phone and always have been super interested in a true AI type assistant type thing.
It's a shame no one should ever trust this, regardless of what company makes it.
Yo fax too many people just hate ai for the hell of it, I just hate the folks who happen to be in control of all the cool ai tech. Imagine if... Openai was actually FOSS ai??!?!😳
Try duckai (by duckduckgo) its not ideal but its something. It acts as a middleman between you and a few llms and they have agreements that ur queries aren't used for training+metadata is removed by ddg before it reaches the llm I believed
Gemini would be only a system app right? Then I should be able to disable it too right? This is something Google app on your device already does I believe.
33 Comments
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 49 pts · 1y
Oh hell no
bradboimler@startrek.website · 34 pts · 1y
Glad I use GrapheneOS and don't use any Google apps or services anymore it's amazing how I no longer get spam calls and texts since the switch.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
I de-google everything I can.
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
Same but I think it will soon not be enough. I still cant believe it's now so difficult to not be a google product, this is a digital nightmare built by decades of unregulated capitalism. Kiss my ass GAFAM.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
I mean, nothing is forcing anyone to use any specific product, and there are certainly smartphones with neither Android or iOS.
Personally, at some point I will switch from iPhone to an Android device that can work with something independent like /e/ or one of the other decent ones.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol · -2 pts · 1y
De-googling is not enough, there must be nothing to de-Google from the start.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
That’s one approach but far more limited than just using a Google-free Android build like Lineage.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1y
I know, that's why I advocate for going Google free from the outset.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Well, it may be ideal, but that is not the same as absolutely necessary.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1y
Different threat models have different necessities. I believe a regular user should avoid Google ( or rather all of GAFAMBATX) connections at all costs. I think everybody (me included, of course) is better off with a dumbphone than a Degoogled phone.
It's obvious we have different opinions, I respect your right to run any system as you want. I don't think I have any more to contribute to this topic.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Yeah I’m not really disagreeing with you it’s just I don’t run anything that’s as privacy-necessary as you. My actual phone is iPhone and all the Android stuff I experiment with are lab systems for tinkering, rom mod testing etc. If I had anything that was being used for any really private or sensitive data, hell yes I would use something completely detached from anything google.
Pringles@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Don't you have issues with banking apps then? It's the one thing holding me back from switching, but I haven't really done a deep dive in it.
bradboimler@startrek.website · 2 pts · 1y
No my bank app doesn't even use Google Play in anyway depends on the bank.
MightyCuriosity@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Most work
HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Its a common misconception that banking apps don't work on grapheneOS.
In some cases there is a feature call "expliot protection compatibility mode" that you have to enable, but the OS does it automatically for most banking apps.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1y
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1y
I wish I had a Pixel.
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y
And yet they still probably won't allow any third party app to have access to RCS via an API. FFS.
DynamoSunshirtSandals@possumpat.io · 17 pts · 1y
Wish the EU would start a lawsuit against them for that. It is blatantly anti-competitive and responsible for the death of so many messaging apps.
But I guess the EU is content with non-interoperable Whatsapp harvesting and gatekeeping the personal communication of almost every citizen. Even worse than Google Messages IMO.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl · 2 pts · 1y
user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 25 pts · 1y
Sounds like a potential security hole. Hopefully there will be a way to fully disable it in the OS.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1y
Certainly would make hijacking other apps more easy if you could access the API.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
Not on my devices... Eff that
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
So it will finally be able to do what "OK Google" should have been able to do from the beginning?
Carighan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
And then people wonder why everyone is sitting on old Android versions. 😂
catloaf@lemm.ee · 13 pts · 1y
Can't wait for it to completely mangle all my alarms. Google assistants already tell me "you don't have a list called grocery" when I ask if bread is on it, but is happy to add it to the list again when I tell it to.
henrikx@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
That's the whole point. Google assistant sucks because it only understands commands, and doesn't understand natural language. This is Google's attempt at making a truly great assistant, as they always envisioned it to be. Personally, I am very excited as there is a lot of potential in the technology. It would be a shame if they don't execute well on it.
neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 1y
Might be an unpopular opinion but, this sounds really exciting to me. I hate fidgeting with my phone and always have been super interested in a true AI type assistant type thing.
It's a shame no one should ever trust this, regardless of what company makes it.
Oh what the world could be.
bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Yo fax too many people just hate ai for the hell of it, I just hate the folks who happen to be in control of all the cool ai tech. Imagine if... Openai was actually FOSS ai??!?!😳
christhebaker@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Are there any good FOSS AI agents?
bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Try duckai (by duckduckgo) its not ideal but its something. It acts as a middleman between you and a few llms and they have agreements that ur queries aren't used for training+metadata is removed by ddg before it reaches the llm I believed
nope@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 1y
If it was able to do that without phoning home I'd definitely dive it a try
LostNetizen@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 1y
Impressive at the same time it's a bit too scary
zerozaku@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Gemini would be only a system app right? Then I should be able to disable it too right? This is something Google app on your device already does I believe.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Dragon Ball Z has made tech headlines more interesting.
Xylight@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 1y