New report skewers Coalition’s contentious nuclear plan – and reignites Australia’s energy debate

https://theconversation.com/new-report-skewers-coalitions-contentious-nuclear-plan-and-reignites-australias-energy-debate-250912

The report’s central conclusions – rejected by the Coalition – are relatively unsurprising. It found nuclear power would be far more expensive than the projected path of shifting to mostly renewable energy. And delivering nuclear generation before the mid-2040s will be extremely challenging.

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Salvo@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Anyone who believes the LNP that Nuclear is an economic option must be brain dead.

Anyone who believes the LNP at all must be brain dead.

Lysergid@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y (6 replies)

For non-Australian, can you explain me why it’s not economic option for Australia? Many other countries such as Korea, US, Pakistan and China seems to be happy with building nuclear. What’s special about Australia?

zurohki@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 1y
  • No existing nuclear industry. We can't just send the people who built our last nuclear power plant to build another one, we don't have any of those people.
  • Massive amounts of space and tons of sun year-round for solar

We do have a huge coal and gas industry looking to pay politicians to slow down the shift away from fossil fuels though, so the party that was trying to build new coal power plants last time they were in power is talking about nuclear while they're in opposition. It isn't about taking action, it's about delaying renewables.

Taleya@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 1y

we don't have the infrastructure or the knowledgebase in place. So we're starting entirely from scratch. We'd have to import pretty much every person involved, and for what? We're literally soaked in renewable resources that make far better sense to use.

shirro@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 1y

The difference is the lack of diversification in Australia's economy which gives certain industries massive influence over policy that doesn't always serve Australian citizens or our broader national interests. The LNP has no intention of building nuclear power. They are pushing the interests of the fossil fuel lobby and prolonging the life of stranded fossil fuel investments. If we could do it economically they would find a way to make it uneconomic to keep the coal fires burning.

Australia has extremely high costs, small population (scaling issues - 30m in an area the size of continental USA) and lack of expertise. If built with Australian labour and to our high safety and environmental standards nuclear would be very costly and delayed. There would be massive costs to taxpayers and energy consumers which would not sit well with coalition voters and supporters. That money could have been put into cheaper alternatives that could be delivered faster and provide consumers and business with savings. Many coalition voters already benefit from cheap solar rooftop PV and are aware of the cost benefits of renewables and possibly even have investments in them which the coalition will put at risk. All they are doing is screwing over their own voters, increasing investment risk and raising costs for business to gain favour with a powerful lobby.

The only good reason for us to have a civilian nuclear industry would be to help develop a nuclear deterrent but we are signed up to non-proliferation and our major allies don't want us to have an independent capability as it lessens their influence The coalition certainly have no interest in that direction.

dumblederp@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 1y

Renewables are quick and cheap implement. Nuclear is slow and expensive, it'll mostly lead to another 10-15 years of coal based power generation - likely this is what Dutton actually wants as it'll appease his coal production friends.

Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 1y

Because nuclear is more expensive, slower to put into service, and pollutes more compared to renewables.

Salvo@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y

From the article; “It found nuclear power would be far more expensive than the projected path of shifting to mostly renewable energy. “

khortits@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y

that's like most of the population...

4oreman@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 1y (19 replies)

I heard trump was going to sell australia to china

BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y (18 replies)

If only. Might actually get some sensible energy infrastructure programs then

4oreman@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 1y (6 replies)

i thought china had bad air quality

Salvo@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Mainly due to the density of the population.

The Australian population is quite sparse, mainly because we never got our Multifunction Polis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multifunction_Polis

Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Mostly due to the industrial pollution actually. People don't magically generate smog from our bodies.

4oreman@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1y

speak for yourself

4oreman@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 1y

interesting, thanks for sharing

beeng@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Not anymore. They hit peak coal already it looks and trending cleaner everyday

4oreman@lemy.lol · 0 pts · 1y

that's unexpected good news

MisterFrog@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1y (10 replies)

I'm still really unsure why some socialists have decided that because China carries the flag of socialism, that it means they're automatically good at everything, ever. And everything bad about it is western propaganda.

I'm a socialist, hell, I even like China in many regards, much more than many of my fellow Australians.

But damn, why so many people on Lemmy.ml stanning for them? Makes no sense.

That being said, much of the infrastructure they have, is indeed nice (all the massive amounts of coal we sell them, notwithstanding).

But there are a bunch of inefficiencies and issues.

Ya know, like any other country.

China isn't a utopia, it's a place, with good and bad points.

BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y (9 replies)

I’m still really unsure why some socialists have decided that because China carries the flag of socialism, that it means they’re automatically good at everything, ever. And everything bad about it is western propaganda.

No one thinks this. It's a lazy straw-man. And I'm fairly sure you know that.

MisterFrog@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1y (8 replies)

I think you'll find there are numerous comments around Lemmy with this sentiment.

To be fair, it's not everyone on .ml, but damn, it is a lot

And apologies for taking it out on yourself, that wasn't cool of me

BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 1y (7 replies)

No, you won't. You will not find a single one. Not one, not every, not anywhere. It is a lazy straw-man that you have made up. No actual person holds that position and you will not find a single example

And apologies for taking it out on yourself, that wasn’t cool of me

Go back to reddit you fucking dweeb.

MisterFrog@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1y (6 replies)

Not one, not every, not anywhere.

You have lowered my bar for success, challenge accepted (should I remember the next time I encounter one in the wild).

And jeez, sorry for apologising, I guess?

I don't think it's a straw man to say there are many people out there who look at countries that hold or held the banner of communism or socialism through extremely rose tinted glasses, and many of them are on Lemmy.ml

Annoys me because I'm a socialist (in my eyes) and think these people detrimental to convincing others of socialism's merits.

Anyway, challeng accepted, mr grumpy pants.

BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 1y

I don’t think it’s a straw man to say there are many people out there who look at countries that hold or held the banner of communism or socialism through extremely rose tinted glasses, and many of them are on Lemmy.ml

Ok. That's not what you claimed. Now you're just lying

And apologies for taking it out on yourself, that wasn’t cool of me

Like I said, go back to reddit you fucking dweeb.