A Palestinian American medical student objected to working alongside IDF soldiers. The university suspended her
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/24/emory-university-student-suspended-gaza-protest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/24/emory-university-student-suspended-gaza-protest
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NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 32 pts · 1y
To everyone not reading this article: "working along side IDF soldiers" in this case means being a student at a university where one professor had volunteered for a short stint to be a medic for the IDF (because, you know, Oct 7 happened)
She got suspended because she outed him (though not by name directly) in an interview and opened him up to possible harassment. The suspension is questionable and we can debate the limits of free speech in this case.
BUT she was not suspended because she refused to work with or for the IDF. That is a bs title.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1y
To everyone not reading this article title: "A Palestinian American medical student objected to working alongside IDF soldiers. The university suspended her"
Reread the title, it does not say that.
She refused to work with a person who contributed to the genocide against her own people. He chose to be complicit in genocide. IDF soldiers are monsters and can fuck off. We should hand this guy over to the Hague. edit: typo
NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1y
Is the title implying or not implying that her suspension is related to the fact that objected to working alongside IDF?
Explain to me how being a student is considered "working alongside" with a professor simply because they are both at the same school?
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
The title says working alongside IDF soldiers. It's not implying anything.
Because she is a medical student and he is a professor of medicine.
NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
So I had a teacher in HS that worked at NASA. Was I working alongside NASA scientists when I was 15?
Furthermore, the article never specified that she was HIS student. They may have never interacted at all.
I can accept she doesn't want to be affiliated in any way with Israel (good luck with that), but the title puts two sentences together where the first is false and the second is unrelated.
I like how you ignore the second sentence though to make a false point
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make.
He volunteered for the IDF. That makes him an IDF soldier.
He's a Professor at her medical faculty. That means she has to work with him to get her degree.
She refused to do that.
The university suspended her.
If NASA was in the habit of exploding babies, you'd've been well within your right to not want to have any contact with your HS teacher either.
GreyAlien@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 1y
Maybe this is an English issue, but generally students learn from, not work with their teachers. But again, the article does not actually mention he is her professor, only that they are at the same school. We don't know that they have any interaction at this school.
Except that's not why she was suspended. They suspended her for giving an interview where she calls out the professor for volunteering to provide medical services for the IDF. Since she was leading the campus protests, this was considered targeted harassment.
The title is wrong and misleading. A more accurate title would be "University student suspended for outing a pro-Israel professor in interview", but i guess truth doesn't get clicks.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1y
Many students, specifically PhD students, also work for the university. I didn't say "work under", I said "work with", as in, work at the same faculty, i.e. they are coworkers.
She called him out publicly for volunteering for a foreign military currently enacting a genocide. It's a big stretch to call that "outing" or "public harassment".
And nowhere does the headline claim something different.
GreyAlien@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 1y
I was debating whether this rhetoric was effective or to easily misconstrued as antisemitic and then this other user writes:
Dude, you don't go hard enough with your rhetoric. People unironically believe that if a fascist government drafts you into the military you simply have no choice but to genocide as many people as possible.
Fuck me, I am Jewish. Not in my name! The IDF is committing genocide. Fuck the IDF. Do not let them slide because they were just following orders. Holy shit!
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
Discriminating against "National origin"? We're all from somewhere aren't we? If I refused to work with a KKK member do I get fired because he's "American" and the KKK is an American hate group?
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1y
According to users in this thread apparently. This national origin rhetoric is absurd. Fuck that and fuck the KKK.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
It's most certainly not effective, it was something I wrote in anger. Calling for the death of anyone is generally not advisable, and I usually don't, but reading this made my blood boil more than normal.
dick_fineman@discuss.online · -10 pts · 1y
Israel has conscription/compulsory military-service. There are exceptions for certain super-religious cases, etc., but pretty much if they were born and raised in Israel (i.e. an "Israeli National"), you can say they were probably required to be "IDF soldiers" without really having a choice in the matter. but "Palestinian-American medical student objected to working alongside Israeli-national. The university suspended her" doesn't induce as much rage. In the end, she's discriminating against a protected class: national-origin.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 1y
So your argument is that Israeli nationals should be absolved from any war crimes and/or genocide they participate in because they were just following orders?
Using national origin as an excuse for participating in genocide is peak genocide denial.
This is the same as equating protesting Russia's invasion of Ukraine as xenophobia against Russians.
I highly recommend reassessing your world view. Your arguments are a one to one match with fascists arguments.
dick_fineman@discuss.online · -2 pts · 1y
Uh, no. No it's not. If someone refused to work with anyone who was Russian, or who took on a non-combatant role when conscripted in the current war (such as a Medic), then it would be comparable.
I'm glad she was suspended. Bye bye!
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1y
This professor of medicine chose to volunteer. Anyone actively contributing to genocide is at fault regardless of their role. Patching someone up so they can butcher more civilians is deplorable. The most heinous Nazis ordered mass killings from behind desks.
What an awful opinion. Why would you support silencing people who speak out against genocide? Do you support Israel's genocide?
smitty053@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me.
dick_fineman@discuss.online · -2 pts · 1y
10/7 being an attempted ethnic cleansing of her side against Jews.
She's an unhinged hate-filled Jew-hater. I'm glad she was suspended.
ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y
The only one unhinged is that professor. He directly committed to a genocide. He should be in prison.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
The penalty for refusing the serve in the IDF is around 1-2 months of prison time. For the people who refuse to engage in ethnic cleansing, doing 30-60 days of prison time instead is far far more ethical
dick_fineman@discuss.online · -2 pts · 1y
Lol, okay. Whatever you say. 10/7 happened and Israel had a right to defend itself. Netanyahu has DEFINITELY gone way too far at this point, but that's another discussion. The response to Arabs trying (once again) to ethnically cleanse Jews, whereby Gaza wasn't completely wiped off the map (which would have been VERY EASY), is proof that this wasn't an "ethnic cleansing". At least, it wasn't at the beginning. It sure does seem to be turning into one though, thanks largely to folks like you who enabled the rise of Trump by witholding your votes over "Genocide Joe". LOL
Whatever, I don't even care. The leopards have many faces to eat, and such little time.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Jesus, what a way to justify generations of Settler Colonialism, Apartheid, and Ethnic Cleansing. Well at least you think genocide is "too far," I'd fucking hope so.
Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing and has never stopped being an Apartheid. Zionism has always been a fascist ideology. Zionism is not Judaism. The leaders of other Arab or Muslim nations do not represent Palestine or Palestinians. There is no point to conflate either of those other than to justify Israel's Settler Colonialism. Land grabbing is antithetical to peace. Peace requires the end of the Apartheid. Unless the violence of supremacy and Settler-Colonialism ends, anti-colonialist violence is inevitable as people fight by any means possible for their survival, humanity, and human rights.
::: spoiler Quote
:::
The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities - Simha Flapan
10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
Ethnic Cleansing prior to 1948:
Planned occupation and the beginnings of systemic apartheid:
1967 war: Haaretz, Forward
Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967
::: spoiler Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades.
Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).
The settlements have created hundreds of isolated bantustans within the West Bank, preventing any two-state solution that may have been possible before the Israeli occupation in 1967
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
:::
::: spoiler Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
:::
dick_fineman@discuss.online · -2 pts · 1y
Oh...no. I'm not doing this Gish Gallup bullshit.
Jews are from there. LONG history before the Arabs came in. Jews were persecuted in their own land and largely expelled. Then when they were persecuted elsewhere, en masse, Arabs got mad about all the Jews being their neighbors. Kinda like white Americans getting upset about Mexican folks (many with indigenous roots) being their neighbors...and started getting violent.
Shit was a mess since then. But on 10/7 Israel wasn't attacking Gaza...it was unprovoked, brutal, and fueled by genocidal intent. THAT started this shit.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Sources by multiple Israeli historians isn't "gish gallop," which you'd understand if you actually read the sources
I already added a quick summary of the myths you repeat, which are Israeli propaganda to justify ethnic cleansing, genocide, apartheid, and Colonialism.
Read the full context if you don't believe me. If you're so confident it shouldn't be hard for you to go through the books and try to prove yourself wrong
The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities - Simha Flapan
10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
noxypaws@pawb.social · 11 pts · 1y
Emory University is the name of the university missing from the headline