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c/worldnews · by badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · 1y

In Ukraine, Ultra-Nationalists Are the ‘Good Guys’

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/04/20/in-ukraine-ultra-nationalists-are-the-good-guys/

Neo-Nazism's rise in Ukraine is due to the silent approval of Ukraine’s political and military elites who prefer to turn a blind eye because they rely on the far-right for their military potential, Ukrainian academic Marta Havryshko tells Natylie Baldwin. By Natylie Baldwin Special to Consor

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ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 1y (7 replies)

What is that website? Smells like Russian propaganda to me. Lemmy seems to get overrun with ot lately, unfortunately.

nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y

Baldwin: Can you explain what you see as the misuse of the holocaust and WWII by the Russian government and nationalists?

... Havryshko: The memory of World War II is weaponized by different political actors for political and military purposes. For example, when Putin began his angry speech on the night of February 24, 2022, he emphasized that one of the goals of the so-called “special military operation” was the “denazification” of Ukraine.

Top Russian propagandists frequently refer to the Ukrainian government as a “Nazi regime” and call Ukrainian soldiers “Nazis.”

From the article. The author is a western academic, a historian of Holocaust studies. Read.

Grapho@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y

If you want to judge the validity of an article by how sleek and pretty the website looks you can go back to reddit. Plenty of MSM slop straight from the state department.

davel@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

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History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

Grapho@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Don't believe your eyes, Putin has paid off your eyeballs and puppeteered all western media right up until 2020

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y

I mean. The war began in 2014 with Russia and Ukraine

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

@ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml It's called Journalism. If you'd bother to look, you'd realize that Pulitzer is mentioned on the website, and you wouldn't have to ask such a profoundly silly question.

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y

What does Pulitzer have to do with journalism? The opinion of Colombia university holds negative value.

thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 1y (21 replies)

Pro Russia poster. Never a bad word said about Russia or Putin.

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -11 pts · 1y (20 replies)

@thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone Just balancing out all the pro-Ukrainian propaganda. There are always 2 sides and people deserve to know ALL the facts.

BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 1y

@BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml Well, your bias is there for all to see. Supporting NeoFascism is your thang.

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Then lets see articles that show ALL the facts.

Seems like sometimes one country looks better with ALL the facts about both. But keeping one country with bad things out seems like Propaganda.

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 1y

@ReakDuck@lemmy.ml

In the West, since the start of the SMO we have been deluged with Ukrainian propaganda. There is plenty around, so dig your head out of the sand! We're the most indoctrinated society on earth!

@thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone

KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y (15 replies)

Yeah ok buddy, now do Russia's employment of neo-nazi mercenaries and the fact it is led by a right-wing dictator.

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 1y (14 replies)

@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml

Why don't YOU indulge us …? Another sock puppet account. WiTH are you afraid of?

KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y (13 replies)

Sockpuppet account lmao? I just joined today. So, you're telling me Putin is not a right-wing dictator? I guess I should visit Moscow as a trans gay person and publicly express my disdain against right-wingers trying to exterminate us in Russia. For sure it's not a fascistic country and I won't get thrown in prison for it. /s

You have screws loose up there if you think Russia is not far-right.

KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y (2 replies)

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/01/russia-anti-gay-propaganda-law-assault-on-freedom-expression/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/24/vladimir-putin-signs-law-banning-gender-changes-in-russia

Like, be ffr. The Nazi book burnings were the destruction of LGBT+ Sexologist Mr.Hirschfeld's work. Putin is silencing and jailing LGBT+ people and anyone who dares to speak against this or the war. Definitely not a fascist dictarship for suuure bro.

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · 0 pts · 1y (1 reply)

@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml I'm not your bro.

KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y

Cry me a river about it, fash.

badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 1y (9 replies)

@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml

It's a traditional conservative society and I wouldn't call them neoconservative, just because they don't accept gay/trans folks. Many other people and countries don't either. In fact, the majority of the world doesn't. Identity politics is going to doom us in the West.

KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Ooooh fuck right off lmao. My country is also full of tradconservatives and they don't hunt us,jail us or silence us for complete extermination on a both governmental and mainstream cultural level. Russian culture and laws are extremely right-wing, and keep getting worse. Stop finding excuses for your delusions. You're defending a right-wing, state-capitalist dictator for fucking what, my dude? The sucking of boots here is insane.

marathon01@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y

They don't in Russia, either. I'm sure isolated incidents exist, but it's not widespread. The reason for the Russian crackdown is bc Civil Society groups in the West, including USAid were using your propaganda against the Russian government in an attempt at Regime Change. You're being used Grasshopper for geopolitical purposes and your crowd is too ignorant to know.

eldavi@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

i used to struggle to understand why americans refused to see that the ukrainian far right is so empowered until i came to lemmy and see the election results; now i understand that we've been punching left for so long that the the right seems reasonable.

BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
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Wether@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y

I'm surprised that this article doesn't engage more with the current war. Given that Russia has been accusing Ukraine of being a 'nazi state' since day one, I'd be surprised if that hadn't changed the level of support for this kind of politics. I can imagine how it could go either way: increasing because of the threat to Ukraine's national identity, or decreasing to not prove the Russians right and to rally around Zelenskyy, who is overall a moderate. I do notice that all of the pictures in this article are from before the war. It's also weird they don't mention that Azov were more-or-less wiped out in the opening stages of the invasion at Mariupol.