A police force has agreed to remove all Pride rainbows and transgender livery from its vehicles following a landmark High Court ruling.
Northumbria Police has also told its officers and staff they cannot attend a Gay Pride march in uniform this weekend, in a move that could set a precedent for other forces.
Northumbria was taken to court by a gender-critical lesbian who said it was wrong for officers to take part in events that promoted gender ideology.
The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.
In his ruling, the judge, Mr Justice Linden, said it was important that police forces were not perceived as taking sides in contentious social debates.
Ffs. Police officers want to support a gay pride event, and a Lesbian woman became so offended by that she raised a court case against them. One that I cannot believe was upheld.
And as for the judge saying police attending means they're "choosing sides"... fucking hell. It's a Pride event. The "sides" are the LGBT community and those that hate them. It is an offence under the Equality Act 2010 to discriminate against LGBT people, so the police very much should be on one side, and they broadly were.
What the hell was this judge thinking? Why are TERFs so emboldened here?
Imagine telling someone this a few decades ago:
"Yeah the police want to support a LGBT pride event and..."
"Wait they what? They want to support it? Not shut it down?"
"...yeah, support and attend. Anyway the court ruled against it."
"Lobbying and moral panic from anti-LGBT clergymen, I suppose?"
"Nah, a small group of lesbians."
You can't make this shit up. Imagine hating trans people so much that you're willing to turn against the whole LGBT Pride movement, while being in a same sex relationship. The mind reels.
WAH! I'm LGBT, you have to do as I say else you're discriminating against me and that's like, illegal and stuff, and I'll use the police as my personal army against you to get revenge.
Is everything okay at home?
There's the projection. This has nothing to do with trans people. Twisting unrelated actions to be another thing is typical of schizophrenia and/or psychosis.
Slice of life from inside the glass house apparently. Put the stone down please.
The "sides" are the LGBT community and those that hate them.
This is wrong. The person who took Northumbria Police to court was a lesbian and hence a member of the LGBT community. It doesn't make sense for the "sides" to include the LGBT community.
You're conflating the gender supporting (as oppose to gender critical) community and the LGBT community.
You'll never guess what the 'T' in LGBT stands for...
This person is absolutely standing against the LGBT community. She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police, making the entire community less safe in the process, as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues.
She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.
And being part of a community doesn't make you immune from being against the community. There's plenty of anti-immigration immigrants, there's homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community, there were people from colonies who saw their own colonies as barbaric and welcomed white masters, there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis, there are working class people who are disdainful of working class culture.
You'll never guess what the 'T' in LGBT stands for...
You'll never guess what the 'L' in LGBT stands for...
She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion given the article. You seem to be jumping to conclusions.
as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues
Again, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion about her goals. The fact that she simply has a different opinion to others doesn't imply a goal of dividing people. Dividing people may be a conseqeunce of her actions but that doesn't imply it's her goal.
She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.
Again, this is jumping to conclusions.
And being part of a community doesn't make you immune from being against the community. ... there's homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community
True but that doesn't mean any particular person who is critical of one section of the community is necessarily against the whole community, that doesn't follow.
there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis
Secondly, this is a false equivalence. Every example you've given is of a member of a community being against the whole community but in the case we're discussing, a member of a community is critical of only part of the community, not the whole community. And critically, it's a part of the community that they're not a member of.
You'll never guess what the 'L' in LGBT stands for...
It stands for Lesbian. What is your point?
I'm not the one going against the LGBT community, she is.
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion given the article.
Did you read it?
Again, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion about her goals.
??? She doesn't think Trans people, a part of the LGBT community, exist.
Again, this is jumping to conclusions.
It really isn't.
True but that doesn't mean any particular person who is critical of one section of the community is necessarily against the whole community, that doesn't follow.
It absolutely follows. If you are against Trans people, you are against LGBT.
She doesn’t think Trans people, a part of the LGBT community, exist.
The article makes no mention of whether she views trans people as existing. Again, you're jumping to conclusions. And to be frank, you're being ridiculous.
The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.
People who filled out the 2021 census in England and Wales were asked: "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?"
According to the ONS, 262,000 people - around 0.5% of the population - answered "no".
The ONS states that there are 60,238,000 total people in England and Wales.
Gender critical people, almost always cis women, can go to hell. They go out of their way to try (and lately succeed) to suppress any support for trans people and to exclude trans women from any space that is oriented for women. They fear monger, calling us perverts and degenerates that want to prey on poor, defenseless, innocent women.
Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people is an objectively shit person. We just want to live our lives and not be singled out for discrimination.
It's honestly getting depressing here in the UK the vast majority of people are good honest open minded people, but for some reason single bigoted people keep being allowed to make the place worse in the name of 'free speech' the results going to be the police staying away to be impartial and a bunch of reform voting trogladites causing trouble in the name of free speech.
Never mind the comments here on Lemmy, but you really need a hazmat suit to enter the comments on that article. Over 1400 of them, each somehow a different type of phobic. Living up to the nickname "TERF Island".
I’m not sure it was the wisest idea to put the rainbows on the vehicles in the first place. Is someone panicking, with visual or cognitive impairment, at night, going to instantly recognise it?
A sticker isn't going to hide a full on cop car. Like imagine you're in an emergency, you see a black and white car that has all the markings of a cop car, but it has a rainbow sticker, are you going to ignore it because of a 2x3 sticker?
Well, seeing as police vehicles aren’t black and white…..
And if you took a look at the picture, it replaces the battenberg on the back half of the van, with a logo that highlights the letters BT, so it looks a bit like a telecoms van.
They are almost exclusively white or silver, with blue and yellow battenberg on each side, and red and yellow warning chevron on the back. The high-conspicuity police livery was developed by the police R&D labs in the 1990s and became standard across Britain from around 2004.
I can’t think of a force that used black and white rather than light blue and white. Maybe there were some long ago.
So you already have color on your police cars, but a small rainbow sticker makes them unrecognizable? I don't think you're making the point you think you are.
this is not what xenophobia is. thread starter is out of pocket, but the problem isn't xenophobia. xenophobia would be if the thread starter said "every brit is a terf." the thread starter did appropriately lay the blame at the feet of the imperial state, the UK. i take issue with "always" if you are approaching a situation with the attitude of something is always, you are giving up on the possibility of fixing it.
No, they clearly aren't talking about this ruling or this judge, they are talking about the UK as a whole.
As always, fuck you, UK.
Have a look through their comments and they seem to say it a lot/complain about Brits a fair bit. It's clearly directed at the UK as a whole, not this Judge Linden guy, or the High Court.
The government aren't making any attempt to change the law and have instead tolerated or even promoted transphobia in their party and have used the Cass Report as a pretext to ban puberty blockers, forcing transgender teens to obtain HRT from the grey market.
I've attended multiple pride events/marches and I've been very glad of police presence. Every year there's at least one bigot who tries to start a fight with someone on a march, and the police quickly put an end to it.
A couple of years ago a man started shouting slurs then ran to attack another man immediately ahead of me (who had shouted back at the guy hurling abuse). A policeman appeared seemingly out of nowhere, sprinting, slide-tackling, then cuffing the aggressor, all before he could even land a punch on someone.
Do you want to get rid of that protection? Would you rather it be a free-for-all where homophobes can attend and attack with impunity? Would you rather the attendee have been assaulted?
Even aside from that, it is extremely stupid to want to drive a wedge between police and LGBT people. That will just make LGBT people less likely to seek help from police if they've been the victim of something, and further emboldens bigots in attacking LGBT people. Why wouldn't you, if you knew they'd never go to the police about it?
We are not the USA. Our police forces are not US police forces. The UK has many problems, but we are fortunate in having a relatively progressive, left-leaning police force (probably due to how much the Tories fucked them over with cuts).
I never said you were from the US, I said you made a US-brained comment. Much of our politics, culture, and political discourse is influenced by the US, they're undeniably an influential country.
my experience...
Then your experience is very, very different to mine.
I think you are gravely mistaken if you think you'd be safer with no police. There is no shortage of people that want to attack LGBT people. If you think they'd leave you alone, think again. Knowing that there's no police to assist would only embolden them.
Do you think the police that voluntarily attended Pride/put Pride decals on their vehicles and uniforms are out to get you? Do you think that the TERF who raised this case is actually a hero fighting the good fight?
I think you are gravely mistaken if you think you’d be safer with no police. There is no shortage of people that want to attack LGBT people. If you think they’d leave you alone, think again. Knowing that there’s no police to assist would only embolden them.
There are more male murder victims than females. The above does not distinguish between trans/non-trans. Sadly, around 30% are with no suspect charged.A
Police in the UK are generally not right wing. Why would they support people who hate them, slash their numbers, slash their funding, and gave them pay stagnation?
The UK police is not like the US police where Republicans are clearly allied with them.
You are delusional if you think police is anything more than a tool of the status quo to maintain their power and do their dirty work. It doesn't matter the country.
Just a few recent examples: 123
Your proof of the police being right wing is that they arrest people for supporting terrorist groups, or breaking into an airport and blocking runways? Christ on a bike...
British police aren't right wing. Why the fuck do you think they want to attend Pride events, FFS?
Police go to pride because the neoliberal elite has deemed it profitable. A couple of decades ago they called them terrorist, the same way you do with environment and pro palestine activists.
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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 1y
Ffs. Police officers want to support a gay pride event, and a Lesbian woman became so offended by that she raised a court case against them. One that I cannot believe was upheld.
And as for the judge saying police attending means they're "choosing sides"... fucking hell. It's a Pride event. The "sides" are the LGBT community and those that hate them. It is an offence under the Equality Act 2010 to discriminate against LGBT people, so the police very much should be on one side, and they broadly were.
What the hell was this judge thinking? Why are TERFs so emboldened here?
Imagine telling someone this a few decades ago:
You can't make this shit up. Imagine hating trans people so much that you're willing to turn against the whole LGBT Pride movement, while being in a same sex relationship. The mind reels.
catty@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
What are you babbling about?
Is everything okay at home?
Slice of life from inside the glass house apparently. Put the stone down please.
catty@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
Your post history has some very typical LLM-generated red flags. Just sayin'!
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
I gave you the "transphobe asshole" tag. Is that what other LLMs would do too?
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1y
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Is it because I'm multilingual and you can't wrap your head around that concept? Just askin'!
rah@hilariouschaos.com · -17 pts · 1y
This is wrong. The person who took Northumbria Police to court was a lesbian and hence a member of the LGBT community. It doesn't make sense for the "sides" to include the LGBT community.
You're conflating the gender supporting (as oppose to gender critical) community and the LGBT community.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
You'll never guess what the 'T' in LGBT stands for...
This person is absolutely standing against the LGBT community. She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police, making the entire community less safe in the process, as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues.
She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.
And being part of a community doesn't make you immune from being against the community. There's plenty of anti-immigration immigrants, there's homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community, there were people from colonies who saw their own colonies as barbaric and welcomed white masters, there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis, there are working class people who are disdainful of working class culture.
rah@hilariouschaos.com · -18 pts · 1y
You'll never guess what the 'L' in LGBT stands for...
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion given the article. You seem to be jumping to conclusions.
Again, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion about her goals. The fact that she simply has a different opinion to others doesn't imply a goal of dividing people. Dividing people may be a conseqeunce of her actions but that doesn't imply it's her goal.
Again, this is jumping to conclusions.
True but that doesn't mean any particular person who is critical of one section of the community is necessarily against the whole community, that doesn't follow.
Firstly wow that took no time at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Secondly, this is a false equivalence. Every example you've given is of a member of a community being against the whole community but in the case we're discussing, a member of a community is critical of only part of the community, not the whole community. And critically, it's a part of the community that they're not a member of.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
It stands for Lesbian. What is your point?
I'm not the one going against the LGBT community, she is.
Did you read it?
??? She doesn't think Trans people, a part of the LGBT community, exist.
It really isn't.
It absolutely follows. If you are against Trans people, you are against LGBT.
I'm well aware of what Godwin's law is. What's your point, exactly? It's relevant.
Do you deny that there were Jews in Germany who hated the Jewish community? Yes or no?
rah@hilariouschaos.com · -4 pts · 1y
Yes. Did you?
The article makes no mention of whether she views trans people as existing. Again, you're jumping to conclusions. And to be frank, you're being ridiculous.
catty@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1y
Do you deny you're behaving like a psychotic moron?.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1y
Here we go again. Having a hard day? Wanna talk about it?
catty@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
Again, your post history has some very typical LLM-generated flags. Just sayin'!
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
You're the psychotic, transphobic moron.
Nobody cares about you or your stupid cunty opinions.
SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 1y
"You'll never guess what the 'L' in LGBT stands for..."
Hate to burst your bubble but Lesbians are actually more supportive of transgender people than any other cisgender demographic.
catty@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Hate to burst your bubble but homophobes are actually more supportive of transgender people than any other cisgender demographic.
I too can make up pretend facts.
SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y
Simple Google search: https://share.google/FkVO7pkw4lj7F25B6
catty@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
Bravo! This always makes me laugh!
catty@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
I don't understand why this is downvoted so much. This is the correct response.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 1y
From the article:
From the BBC:
The ONS states that there are 60,238,000 total people in England and Wales.
Gender critical people, almost always cis women, can go to hell. They go out of their way to try (and lately succeed) to suppress any support for trans people and to exclude trans women from any space that is oriented for women. They fear monger, calling us perverts and degenerates that want to prey on poor, defenseless, innocent women.
Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people is an objectively shit person. We just want to live our lives and not be singled out for discrimination.
rah@hilariouschaos.com · 1 pts · 1y
Not doing yourself any favours with this kind of sarcastic comment.
I've never seen anybody argue that trans people should be denied the right to vote. Including in this article.
SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y
There are actually more transphobic men than women but the "movement" fronts cis women so they can pull the "muh oppressed" line.
catty@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
blueamigafan@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
It's honestly getting depressing here in the UK the vast majority of people are good honest open minded people, but for some reason single bigoted people keep being allowed to make the place worse in the name of 'free speech' the results going to be the police staying away to be impartial and a bunch of reform voting trogladites causing trouble in the name of free speech.
RedSnt@feddit.dk · 11 pts · 1y
Never mind the comments here on Lemmy, but you really need a hazmat suit to enter the comments on that article. Over 1400 of them, each somehow a different type of phobic. Living up to the nickname "TERF Island".
flamingos@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 1y
This is the Torygraph, don't read the comments unless you want to do psyc damage to yourself.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 1y
I’m not sure it was the wisest idea to put the rainbows on the vehicles in the first place. Is someone panicking, with visual or cognitive impairment, at night, going to instantly recognise it?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
I've seen loads of police vans like this. It's only part of the van and they're just as recognisable as before IMO.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · -3 pts · 1y
A sticker isn't going to hide a full on cop car. Like imagine you're in an emergency, you see a black and white car that has all the markings of a cop car, but it has a rainbow sticker, are you going to ignore it because of a 2x3 sticker?
Your point is stupid and invalid.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 1y
Well, seeing as police vehicles aren’t black and white…..
And if you took a look at the picture, it replaces the battenberg on the back half of the van, with a logo that highlights the letters BT, so it looks a bit like a telecoms van.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 1y
Police vehicles are almost exclusively black and white.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y
They are almost exclusively white or silver, with blue and yellow battenberg on each side, and red and yellow warning chevron on the back. The high-conspicuity police livery was developed by the police R&D labs in the 1990s and became standard across Britain from around 2004.
I can’t think of a force that used black and white rather than light blue and white. Maybe there were some long ago.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 1y
In the US, they are almost all black and white, occasionally with green for sheriffs and highway patrol.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 1y
This is the unitedkingdom community
Something about stupid and invalid points?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 1y
So you already have color on your police cars, but a small rainbow sticker makes them unrecognizable? I don't think you're making the point you think you are.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1y
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
Instantly jumping to xenophobia over one seemingly bigoted judge seems a bit far. I doubt bigotry is unheard of wherever you're from.
E: Germany. Good thing there's no bigotry to be found there.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 1y
this is not what xenophobia is. thread starter is out of pocket, but the problem isn't xenophobia. xenophobia would be if the thread starter said "every brit is a terf." the thread starter did appropriately lay the blame at the feet of the imperial state, the UK. i take issue with "always" if you are approaching a situation with the attitude of something is always, you are giving up on the possibility of fixing it.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
No, they clearly aren't talking about this ruling or this judge, they are talking about the UK as a whole.
Have a look through their comments and they seem to say it a lot/complain about Brits a fair bit. It's clearly directed at the UK as a whole, not this Judge Linden guy, or the High Court.
grue@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
That's because it is the UK [government] as a whole!
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1y
High court != Government.
SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1y
The government aren't making any attempt to change the law and have instead tolerated or even promoted transphobia in their party and have used the Cass Report as a pretext to ban puberty blockers, forcing transgender teens to obtain HRT from the grey market.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
So link that, not the high court ruling.
My oh my, some people are stupid.
(I'm referring to you when I say that).
TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website · 5 pts · 1y
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
Your post history says you aren't. Interesting.
TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website · 1 pts · 1y
renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 1y
Has the UK tried not treating trans people like shit?
mannycalavera@feddit.uk · -5 pts · 1y
Here's the article again.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/18/pride-rainbows-removed-police-cars-court-ruling/
Maybe try reading? Just a thought...
SpaceShort@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1y
The real gender ideology are traditional gender roles and the notion that gender is determined by sex.
BryceBassitt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y
Nah, still fuck the U.K.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y
👍 ok friend.
warm@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 1y
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · -3 pts · 1y
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y
A very US-brained comment.
I've attended multiple pride events/marches and I've been very glad of police presence. Every year there's at least one bigot who tries to start a fight with someone on a march, and the police quickly put an end to it.
A couple of years ago a man started shouting slurs then ran to attack another man immediately ahead of me (who had shouted back at the guy hurling abuse). A policeman appeared seemingly out of nowhere, sprinting, slide-tackling, then cuffing the aggressor, all before he could even land a punch on someone.
Do you want to get rid of that protection? Would you rather it be a free-for-all where homophobes can attend and attack with impunity? Would you rather the attendee have been assaulted?
Even aside from that, it is extremely stupid to want to drive a wedge between police and LGBT people. That will just make LGBT people less likely to seek help from police if they've been the victim of something, and further emboldens bigots in attacking LGBT people. Why wouldn't you, if you knew they'd never go to the police about it?
We are not the USA. Our police forces are not US police forces. The UK has many problems, but we are fortunate in having a relatively progressive, left-leaning police force (probably due to how much the Tories fucked them over with cuts).
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 0 pts · 1y
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
I never said you were from the US, I said you made a US-brained comment. Much of our politics, culture, and political discourse is influenced by the US, they're undeniably an influential country.
Then your experience is very, very different to mine.
I think you are gravely mistaken if you think you'd be safer with no police. There is no shortage of people that want to attack LGBT people. If you think they'd leave you alone, think again. Knowing that there's no police to assist would only embolden them.
Do you think the police that voluntarily attended Pride/put Pride decals on their vehicles and uniforms are out to get you? Do you think that the TERF who raised this case is actually a hero fighting the good fight?
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 2 pts · 1y
catty@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
https://bradshawadvisory.com/insights/violent-crime-victims-by-gender-fdh3t
There are more male murder victims than females. The above does not distinguish between trans/non-trans. Sadly, around 30% are with no suspect charged.A
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
Left leaning police is an oxymoron
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
It really isn't.
Police in the UK are generally not right wing. Why would they support people who hate them, slash their numbers, slash their funding, and gave them pay stagnation?
The UK police is not like the US police where Republicans are clearly allied with them.
US brain has hit you hard.
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
You are delusional if you think police is anything more than a tool of the status quo to maintain their power and do their dirty work. It doesn't matter the country. Just a few recent examples: 1 2 3
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
Your proof of the police being right wing is that they arrest people for supporting terrorist groups, or breaking into an airport and blocking runways? Christ on a bike...
British police aren't right wing. Why the fuck do you think they want to attend Pride events, FFS?
Why do you hate LGBT people so much?
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Lol, you are a reactionary piece of shit.
Police go to pride because the neoliberal elite has deemed it profitable. A couple of decades ago they called them terrorist, the same way you do with environment and pro palestine activists.
rah@hilariouschaos.com · 2 pts · 1y
LOL
BETYU@moist.catsweat.com · -15 pts · 1y
its almost like the police needs to be neutral.
warm@kbin.earth · 11 pts · 1y
Are you fucking dense?
BETYU@moist.catsweat.com · -7 pts · 1y
do you know what your saying.
warm@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 1y
Yes: The police should support human rights. It's pretty plain and simple.