I think it's probably more about the rise of the absolute monarchy and conquest of Britain itself which coincided with the European discovery of the Americas but you could take it a lot of ways.
Now that I think about it I've never seen the original context
Britain hasn't had an absolute monarchy since the Magna Carta, centuries before the discovery of the New World. Charles I tried to implement one and was beheaded for his trouble.
The English throughout history don't think the Magna Carta was as important as Americans think it is. It is ironically more important to the American founding myths than the English. It was legally defunct by the 1400's, in large part due to events like the War of the Roses.
Death of Charles I: 1649
Founding of Jamestown: 1607
(Guess the name of the English king that started really pushing for absolute monarchism in England during this period btw)
You realize the Nazi were German right? They weren’t an outside force. All that genocide and war crimes was done by German soldiers not an army of evil ghosts. Germans don’t get to play the victim because grandpa was a Nazi
The German people weren’t invaded by nazis, they were the nazis, no matter what they say to try and pretend otherwise
It's important to understand it, because it's happening again.
The military was all WW1 vets, and as a result of WW1 Germany wasn't really allowed to have a military anymore and had to pay excess amounts of reparations.
The nazis promised to remilitarize and got all those old vets on their side and put them back in charge. If hitler lost power, they'd be back out the of the military because they'd go back to not having a military.
Now, as time went on they started to draft everyone, even children. But they were trickling into that culture and often didn't live very long. Zero chance to change the culture.
I get the knee jerk emotional reaction to call them monsters and say the only reason they did monsterous things was because they were always monsters
But that is not only wrong, it's lulls everyone into a false sense of security. We need to understand how this shit happened last time to stop it this time. And every next time after, it's a constant fight. And that's why the reductivist shit you're saying isn't just wrong, it's actively dangerous to society.
They got enough votes, to get Hitler nominated as chancellor. Of courses it wasn't an absolute majority but still enough. Doesn't sound like an invasion to me. Or did maga and trump invade the USA? All good people there, then a small margin less than half the country, came from somewhere and supported trump, yeah sure.
Hitler then as chancellor used existing legislation like Notstandsverordnungen to solidify and extend his power. Still not an invasion.
Narratives like that put the blame of the rise of fascism on external forces, when it's an internal process.
Yupp, because all nations are monoliths, nuance doesn't exist, and 347 million Americans all voted the exact same way with the exact same feelings.
Stop acting like fascism is this easy thing to avoid, and give it the intense analysis it deserves so we can actually fucking figure out how to prevent it. Seriously, if the only thing you can contribute to the conversation is "well they voted for it," please sit down so the adults can work on a real solution.
Those corporate stooges all won their primaries. America is fucked because Americans spent decades thinking that they could bring about change by listening to the right music and watching the right movies, and that everything else would just take care of itself.
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rbos@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 1y
I've heard this said about colonialism as well: "The first country the English colonized was their own"
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Normandy?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 1y
I think it's probably more about the rise of the absolute monarchy and conquest of Britain itself which coincided with the European discovery of the Americas but you could take it a lot of ways.
Now that I think about it I've never seen the original context
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Britain hasn't had an absolute monarchy since the Magna Carta, centuries before the discovery of the New World. Charles I tried to implement one and was beheaded for his trouble.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 1y
The English throughout history don't think the Magna Carta was as important as Americans think it is. It is ironically more important to the American founding myths than the English. It was legally defunct by the 1400's, in large part due to events like the War of the Roses.
Death of Charles I: 1649
Founding of Jamestown: 1607 (Guess the name of the English king that started really pushing for absolute monarchism in England during this period btw)
Columbus's voyage: 1492
vane@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
USA ?
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
This is one racist, white nationalist community. Banning indigenous people for calling out Americans who now are playing the victim
fylkenny@feddit.org · -23 pts · 1y
Thats wrong, they got voted in by the germans.
jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 1y
They originally had a minority of votes but were able to force through legislation that allowed them to do whatever they wanted
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org · 33 pts · 1y
You can read this Wikipedia article about why the OP is right.
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org · 12 pts · 1y
Thanks for sharing it.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
....
Are you trying to make a joke, or do you honestly not understand?
It's hard to tell these days, but I'm worried you really don't understand and just doubled down with a "nuh huh" and zero thinking.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 1y
You realize the Nazi were German right? They weren’t an outside force. All that genocide and war crimes was done by German soldiers not an army of evil ghosts. Germans don’t get to play the victim because grandpa was a Nazi
The German people weren’t invaded by nazis, they were the nazis, no matter what they say to try and pretend otherwise
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
It's important to understand it, because it's happening again.
The military was all WW1 vets, and as a result of WW1 Germany wasn't really allowed to have a military anymore and had to pay excess amounts of reparations.
The nazis promised to remilitarize and got all those old vets on their side and put them back in charge. If hitler lost power, they'd be back out the of the military because they'd go back to not having a military.
Now, as time went on they started to draft everyone, even children. But they were trickling into that culture and often didn't live very long. Zero chance to change the culture.
I get the knee jerk emotional reaction to call them monsters and say the only reason they did monsterous things was because they were always monsters
But that is not only wrong, it's lulls everyone into a false sense of security. We need to understand how this shit happened last time to stop it this time. And every next time after, it's a constant fight. And that's why the reductivist shit you're saying isn't just wrong, it's actively dangerous to society.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
fylkenny@feddit.org · 0 pts · 1y
They got enough votes, to get Hitler nominated as chancellor. Of courses it wasn't an absolute majority but still enough. Doesn't sound like an invasion to me. Or did maga and trump invade the USA? All good people there, then a small margin less than half the country, came from somewhere and supported trump, yeah sure. Hitler then as chancellor used existing legislation like Notstandsverordnungen to solidify and extend his power. Still not an invasion. Narratives like that put the blame of the rise of fascism on external forces, when it's an internal process.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -31 pts · 1y
That’s like saying trump invaded the u.s. you guys voted for him or stood aside to let him win
ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com · 41 pts · 1y
You didn't mention the third group though. More of us voted against him and are stuck in this nightmare.
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 28 pts · 1y
Yupp, because all nations are monoliths, nuance doesn't exist, and 347 million Americans all voted the exact same way with the exact same feelings.
Stop acting like fascism is this easy thing to avoid, and give it the intense analysis it deserves so we can actually fucking figure out how to prevent it. Seriously, if the only thing you can contribute to the conversation is "well they voted for it," please sit down so the adults can work on a real solution.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -28 pts · 1y
American toxicity and asshole arrogance on full display, no wonder you guys are fucked
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Your Mom is a fucking liar.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 1y
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Yep, lots of trash and I'm onboard with those that voted for Trump, 3rd party or abstained, suffer from their idiocy.
Now, go away, it's time for your nap in the playpen.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Phegan@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Those corporate stooges all won their primaries. America is fucked because Americans spent decades thinking that they could bring about change by listening to the right music and watching the right movies, and that everything else would just take care of itself.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
My jab at Americans is that they complained politics is boring, and now they regret it.