The eastern bloc was mostly dismantled by peaceful protests. So you don't really seem to know that much about peaceful protests, it can be very effective. Of applied correctly and consistently and not only once in a blue moon. Here are some things for reading for you
You can interpret it how you want, that wasn't your statement I refuted. Matter of fact remains, that those were peaceful protests and they reached their goal.
Read about Serbia. There are very effective peaceful protest going on for months.
Edit: Vučić‘s men are trying to use violence against the protesters, but the mostly just disperse immediately and meet up somewhere else to do more protesting. Protest have to be disruptive, but not violent.
And whst is really the point of not being violent when things are this fucked? Like, how are you refucing toral violence? Like wearing a baseball cap in a monsoon.
I'm not going to bother looking it up, so I'll ask you instead since you seem to care about it. What have they accomplished through those months of protesting?
Exactly. Everyone also forgets what a civil war looks like these days. It wouldn't be North vs South, it would be in every direction, everywhere. Nobody wants this.
Everything meaningful we will do will be labeled as "violence". The point is that the things that will not be labeled as "violence" will be meaningless.
"Violence is when I can't get on with my life and ignore everything bad that has been happening quietly"
Like, Euromaidan here was definitely what most would label as "violence". It's also how the place I live in is still not a part of the imperialist shithole that is russia.
I think they might have mumblemouthed it but you bastards have decided among yourselves that their mispoken statement cannot merely represent an ignorant and misinformed read of history but an intentionally violently racist viewpoint. The screenshotted user was I warrant correct in their historical analysis and absolutely fucking wrong to put words in the thread-OPs mouth, as if earnestly trying to alienate instead of persuade or fact check a damn thing.
Like yeah, abolition wouldn't have happened without black people, from freedmen writers to rebelling chattel slaves, advocated for themselves. All the well meaning white people (on average rarer then anyway) wouldn't have meant much without black people wanting to be free and making it known.
Why would you go out of your way to read a person's response in the worst possible way? Maybe I'm just a fukken airhead but I didn't see any dogwhistle that justified how you lot are speaking to them. You simply decided to tar and feather the fucker for being kind of wrong about labor history. Then you springboarded into a merciless bed of assumptions.
Banjo deserves to be mocked as they have had years to learn better. But instead they double down on support of the Diet Fascism party.
He's a racist piece of shit who thinks brown people deserve to be mistreated when they break any law, no matter how stupid or purposely racist they are.
you think fascists need something to be emboldened and empowered? They are doing as they please right now, dismantling system after system. currently they simply take away your chance of a blue congress by gerrymandering (and even imprisoning texas dems because they don't want to sign stuff). Peaceful protest only works when democracy is still working. You are beating a dead horse.
American revolutionists would like to have a word...
And even though after the French revolution times were bad you can ask yourself whether they would have been any better off if the revolution hadn't occurred.
Even if the French themselves weren't better off, fear of revolution triggered other authoritarian monarchs, like the Dutch king to agree to massive reforms. It's not always a simple A-leads-to-B connection.
the liberals have been ridiculed by the media for the last 15 years. It's time for them to do something to be taken seriously - if they want that to happen, anyway
idk, seems more like you can end up in an authoritarian hellscape either way, because efforts to establish it have to be defeated constantly. as soon as ppl stop paying attention, authoritarianism creeps in the back door. so i think it's a different issue that just seems related, because after (violent) protests they will use those as an excuse for their coup, but they would just find something else otherwise, like crime rates or illegal immigrants or so.
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Wrufieotnak@feddit.org · 19 pts · 1y
The eastern bloc was mostly dismantled by peaceful protests. So you don't really seem to know that much about peaceful protests, it can be very effective. Of applied correctly and consistently and not only once in a blue moon. Here are some things for reading for you
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y
Are you saying the Eastern Bloc was more democratic and responsive to public pressure than the liberal democracies of the West?
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org · 12 pts · 1y
You can interpret it how you want, that wasn't your statement I refuted. Matter of fact remains, that those were peaceful protests and they reached their goal.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1y
In the sense that they gave up and became liberal democracies, yes.
5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org · 9 pts · 1y
Read about Serbia. There are very effective peaceful protest going on for months.
Edit: Vučić‘s men are trying to use violence against the protesters, but the mostly just disperse immediately and meet up somewhere else to do more protesting. Protest have to be disruptive, but not violent.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1y
Tell me when anything actually changes in Serbia
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
At which point the state will make them violent.
And whst is really the point of not being violent when things are this fucked? Like, how are you refucing toral violence? Like wearing a baseball cap in a monsoon.
MBech@feddit.dk · -1 pts · 1y
I'm not going to bother looking it up, so I'll ask you instead since you seem to care about it. What have they accomplished through those months of protesting?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Funny how Luigi and Crooks are the only ones who actually attempted meaningful change and both are conservative.
UniversalMonk@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 1y
zululove@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
Nice
maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
So you mean we’re just standing in groups doing nothing? I thought we were shooting YouTubers at debates en masse…
blarth@thelemmy.club · -6 pts · 1y
Also in this image: Russian propagandists trying to get us to kick off a civil war
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1y
Yep you got it, everyone who can see reality is a Russian now. You got us skippy.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
Exactly. Everyone also forgets what a civil war looks like these days. It wouldn't be North vs South, it would be in every direction, everywhere. Nobody wants this.
For comparison, here's Myanmar. This started back in 2021: https://myanmar.iiss.org/introduction
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -21 pts · 1y
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 1y
yes, meaningful changes towards fascism...
Progressive change has always had to face violent reactions. From abolition to the 40-hour workday, to child labour, to civil rights, to LGBT rights
Zombie@feddit.uk · 19 pts · 1y
I'm real glad we got those 40-hour workdays, 8 hours just wasn't enough! 😄
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 1y
lol, I meant to say workweeks :D
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -20 pts · 1y
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 1y
You're so close to getting it...
Now guess who starts the violence in all other instances of progressive radical change. Hint: It's not the ones making the change.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -18 pts · 1y
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 1y
Everything meaningful we will do will be labeled as "violence". The point is that the things that will not be labeled as "violence" will be meaningless.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 10 pts · 1y
"Violence is when I can't get on with my life and ignore everything bad that has been happening quietly"
Like, Euromaidan here was definitely what most would label as "violence". It's also how the place I live in is still not a part of the imperialist shithole that is russia.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -10 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -12 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 15 pts · 1y
araneae@beehaw.org · -5 pts · 1y
I think they might have mumblemouthed it but you bastards have decided among yourselves that their mispoken statement cannot merely represent an ignorant and misinformed read of history but an intentionally violently racist viewpoint. The screenshotted user was I warrant correct in their historical analysis and absolutely fucking wrong to put words in the thread-OPs mouth, as if earnestly trying to alienate instead of persuade or fact check a damn thing.
Like yeah, abolition wouldn't have happened without black people, from freedmen writers to rebelling chattel slaves, advocated for themselves. All the well meaning white people (on average rarer then anyway) wouldn't have meant much without black people wanting to be free and making it known.
Why would you go out of your way to read a person's response in the worst possible way? Maybe I'm just a fukken airhead but I didn't see any dogwhistle that justified how you lot are speaking to them. You simply decided to tar and feather the fucker for being kind of wrong about labor history. Then you springboarded into a merciless bed of assumptions.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
Banjo deserves to be mocked as they have had years to learn better. But instead they double down on support of the Diet Fascism party.
He's a racist piece of shit who thinks brown people deserve to be mistreated when they break any law, no matter how stupid or purposely racist they are.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -9 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 1y
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
You're less of a troll and more of a clown we keep for amusement.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
if you want to upset tankies you are wrong here, those are on the other side of town in authoritarian direction.
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 1y
gestures broadly to America today
And this was the fault of the black panthers, I’m assuming?
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -20 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 20 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -17 pts · 1y
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1y
Okay cracker, glad to see you bought into all the historical revision that the rich made up to scare white people.
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 1y
Lol.
Lmao even.
Thank you for summarizing how pointless it would be to engage further so succinctly.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -19 pts · 1y
fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 1y
Thanks, village idiot, I needed a laugh today.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 19 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -16 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 16 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -10 pts · 1y
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 1y
you think fascists need something to be emboldened and empowered? They are doing as they please right now, dismantling system after system. currently they simply take away your chance of a blue congress by gerrymandering (and even imprisoning texas dems because they don't want to sign stuff). Peaceful protest only works when democracy is still working. You are beating a dead horse.
Photonic@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
American revolutionists would like to have a word... And even though after the French revolution times were bad you can ask yourself whether they would have been any better off if the revolution hadn't occurred. Even if the French themselves weren't better off, fear of revolution triggered other authoritarian monarchs, like the Dutch king to agree to massive reforms. It's not always a simple A-leads-to-B connection.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -3 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -13 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 16 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -15 pts · 1y
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 8 pts · 1y
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 1y
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -11 pts · 1y
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1y
the liberals have been ridiculed by the media for the last 15 years. It's time for them to do something to be taken seriously - if they want that to happen, anyway
lurch@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 1y
idk, seems more like you can end up in an authoritarian hellscape either way, because efforts to establish it have to be defeated constantly. as soon as ppl stop paying attention, authoritarianism creeps in the back door. so i think it's a different issue that just seems related, because after (violent) protests they will use those as an excuse for their coup, but they would just find something else otherwise, like crime rates or illegal immigrants or so.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -13 pts · 1y