c/fediverse · by irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 359d

Wafrn (tumblr alternative with fediverse and bluesky support) has started using an alternate relay; this means that they depend on none of bluesky's infrastructure to work.

Bluesky post by @gabboman.at.app.wafrn.net saying: "Thanks a lot to @rudyfraser.com for hosting the blacksky PDS. After confirmating thatis ok, wafrn now uses blacksky's relay! In the next update other wafrns may also use the relay"

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mesamunefire@piefed.social · 27 pts · 359d (4 replies)

Oh good. One step closer to real federation. With multiple protocols. AP + AT.

m33@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 359d

Meh, the one and only walking protocol is AT-AT

irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 359d (2 replies)

What do you mean by real federation?

arudesalad@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 359d (1 reply)

Right now federation between atproto and activitypub is opt in (and not developed by the big platforms such as bluesky and mastodon) with bridgyfed.

gabboman@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 357d

not in wafrn, wafrn is bisexual: does both natively

MxRemy@piefed.social · 21 pts · 359d (6 replies)

As a non-techy person, I was under the impression from lots of fedi folks that it would either cost a fortune or otherwise be quite impractical to completely divorce ATProto from bluesky itself. However, as a WAFRN enjoyer, Gabbo seems to really know what he's doing, and he actually prefers ATProto over AP... What's the actual deal here?? Is it easier than expected somehow?

irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 359d

A lot of people's research about bluesky is just the "How decentralised is bluesky really?" article by Christine lemmer-webber.
While the article was good at the time, and still has some relevant parts, a lot has changed since then.

Namely, relays got cheaper to run (about $30 a month).
Right now the problem is that everyone uses bluesky's infrastructure (and PDS migration is a bit spotty, but bluesky is working on that).

Also: AP is pain. The spec was rushed and doesn't include a lot of key details. Atproto was better thought out (at least in my opinion).

ctry21@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 359d

I saw it mentioned in this Cory Doctorow article a week or two back about some of his issues with bluesky, but he mentions here that the cost has came down from tens of millions a year down to tens of dollars a month

Hadn't heard of wafrn until seeing it on f-droid this morning but I might give it a try, a tumblr-like platform would be nice since tumblr seems to have given up on using ActivityPub.

Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 20 pts · 359d (3 replies)

Pretty cool. I won't get too excited until Bluesky (the company) is less than 90% of ATProto. Even mastodon.social is only like 27% of AP.

I'd be afraid of one company having too much power over the whole network.

mesamunefire@piefed.social · 9 pts · 359d (1 reply)

Yep it should be spread out as much as possible.

gabboman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 357d

thats... what wafrn does

gabboman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d