I've come around after a journalist I trust (real journalist, got his house firebombed and his crew falsely arrested) explained the history of Russia that led up to this. I don't think NATO troops should be in Ukraine and I don't think Ukraine should've ever been floated as a NATO candidate (as insincerely and manipulatively as it was).
I think both Russia and Ukraine are serving as barriers to peace, in Ukraine's case mainly because of their stubborn insistence on American involvement in any post-war security arrangement.
Putin's regime is a couple years close of breaking up. They have no money left, sanctions are crushing them, their industry is dying, costs are rising for the citizens and they lack men on the battlefield.
He is desperate to put an end to it.
Dangerous beliefs part of the propaganda that West/Ukraine has been winning all along. Wages are very high in Russia, due to high military pay bonuses, and is massively increasing military production. Russia has enough troops and equipment to be gaining territory every week. Russia moved ahead of Germany and Japan to be 4th largest economy. All of this comes from western reporting.
Just because there is always propaganda about how unconditional surrender of enemy is just mere weeks away, it is suicidal to believe any of it.
Who cares in a few months Russia wont be able to fight because they will have no gas. This is all just a bluff because Putin knows the 3 day war can not be won now unless all other countries cut off supplies.
No, the distinction is important. Russia mostly extracts petroleum and gas, and exports them. The processing happens in China or India. Then, the processed components, including petrol (gasoline), are resold by China and India.
Now I'm sure Russia would rather their refineries not be attacked, and these disruptions could very well cause local shortages or price fluctuations. But for the wider economy or overall supply chains, this won't matter much.
Look at the six categories in the graph. Only the dark red represents processed petroleum.
Why would anyone sell cheap crude then buy back expensive gas??
Right, why would any country export cheap raw materials and buy back expensive finished products? That could never happen, right? Surely the majority of the world's countries aren't doing it?
Why have refiners if youre exportibg crude?
Bunch of reasons: (1) for domestic use, (2) they can sell it for more, and (3) Russia had a great industrial sector back when it was part of the USSR, and some of that still survives.
But you are right that attacks on Russian refineries will reduce the processing that is happening within Russia. They will have to buy more products from China, etc. Hopefully this convinces their government to invest in industry, but based on what I've seen so far I'm not holding my breath on this.
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TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
It’s happening. Get used to it.
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 331d
I've come around after a journalist I trust (real journalist, got his house firebombed and his crew falsely arrested) explained the history of Russia that led up to this. I don't think NATO troops should be in Ukraine and I don't think Ukraine should've ever been floated as a NATO candidate (as insincerely and manipulatively as it was).
I think both Russia and Ukraine are serving as barriers to peace, in Ukraine's case mainly because of their stubborn insistence on American involvement in any post-war security arrangement.
Earthprototype@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 331d
Putin's regime is a couple years close of breaking up. They have no money left, sanctions are crushing them, their industry is dying, costs are rising for the citizens and they lack men on the battlefield. He is desperate to put an end to it.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 330d
Dangerous beliefs part of the propaganda that West/Ukraine has been winning all along. Wages are very high in Russia, due to high military pay bonuses, and is massively increasing military production. Russia has enough troops and equipment to be gaining territory every week. Russia moved ahead of Germany and Japan to be 4th largest economy. All of this comes from western reporting.
Just because there is always propaganda about how unconditional surrender of enemy is just mere weeks away, it is suicidal to believe any of it.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 332d
Who cares in a few months Russia wont be able to fight because they will have no gas. This is all just a bluff because Putin knows the 3 day war can not be won now unless all other countries cut off supplies.
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 332d
Lmao. Russia was supplying almost the entirety of Europe with cheap gas and suddenly they're gonna just run out of it? Be fr.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 332d
Etnaphele@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
Gas as in gasoline, not gas as in… gas. Ukrainian attacks on refineries in Russia looks to have had a pretty sizable effect.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 332d
You must also remember that they're running out of ice. The new shipments from Thailand are being delayed by jaguar attacks.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 332d
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/parts-russia-face-gasoline-shortages-after-ukraine-struck-refineries-2025-08-21/
Dumbass
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 332d
'Gasoline' means petrol, not gas.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 331d
No shit...
Oil refiners make lots of products, gas, diesel, kerosene (aviation gas)
No refineries, none of these products, no vehicles to move troops no more war.
Also no income to fund said war.
Dumbass
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 331d
No, the distinction is important. Russia mostly extracts petroleum and gas, and exports them. The processing happens in China or India. Then, the processed components, including petrol (gasoline), are resold by China and India.
Now I'm sure Russia would rather their refineries not be attacked, and these disruptions could very well cause local shortages or price fluctuations. But for the wider economy or overall supply chains, this won't matter much.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 331d
Wow, you're dumber than I initally thought...
https://energyandcleanair.org/june-2025-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions
He first graphic here proves you wrong
Why would anyone sell cheap crude then buy back expensive gas??
Why have refiners if youre exportibg crude?
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 331d
Look at the six categories in the graph. Only the dark red represents processed petroleum.
Right, why would any country export cheap raw materials and buy back expensive finished products? That could never happen, right? Surely the majority of the world's countries aren't doing it?
Bunch of reasons: (1) for domestic use, (2) they can sell it for more, and (3) Russia had a great industrial sector back when it was part of the USSR, and some of that still survives.
But you are right that attacks on Russian refineries will reduce the processing that is happening within Russia. They will have to buy more products from China, etc. Hopefully this convinces their government to invest in industry, but based on what I've seen so far I'm not holding my breath on this.