First two Brazilian judges vote to convict Jair Bolsonaro in coup plot trial

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-trial

Three more supreme court justices to cast their votes in coming days, with verdict expected by Thursday

Jair Bolsonaro led a criminal organisation that sought to plunge Brazil back into dictatorship with a murderous power grab involving special forces assassins and a vast disinformation campaign, the supreme court judge presiding over the former president’s trial has claimed as he voted for Bolsonaro’s conviction.

Alexandre de Moraes was the first supreme court justice of five to announce his decision on Tuesday, as the trial of Bolsonaro and seven alleged co-conspirators – including four senior members of the military and the former head of Brazil’s answer to MI6 – entered its final stretch.

“The defendant, Jair Bolsonaro, was leader of this criminal structure,” the judge told a courtroom in the capital, Brasília, during a five-hour speech detailing what he called Bolsonaro’s “authoritarian project”.

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blattrules@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 349d (21 replies)

Brazil’s government is in better shape than the US government is.

elbucho@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 349d (8 replies)

Way better shape. The police actually arrested the traitors on the day they did the treason. What a novel fucking concept.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 45 pts · 349d (7 replies)

i'm so jealous of south korea and brazil rn

Coyote_sly@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 349d

Yeah, imagine having a real, functioning government.

Must be nice. As an American millennial, sadly not something I ever really got to experience.

Xanthobilly@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 349d (4 replies)

You know what helps? A populace willing to protest.

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 349d (3 replies)

The US public has been protesting pretty much non stop since the 60s.

Their politicians have responded not by addressing the grievances of the people, but by increasingly criminalizing nonviolent protest to the point that it's often classified as literal terrorism.

To call the US system a representative democracy is naive to the point of being downright farcical and has been for several decades.

Tja@programming.dev · 3 pts · 349d (1 reply)

Ch aging your facebook picture and shitposting on lemmy doesn't count.

Look to France or Nepal on how a real protest looks like.

Zombie@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 349d

Hey now! The Americans have done far more than that, they've peacefully wandered around the neighbourhood and played some acoustic guitar. If that doesn't attract the attention of politicians, what will?

/s

Xanthobilly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d

There are other forms of protest that work. It takes organization.

mx_smith@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 349d

And Nepal!

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 349d

Most other governments are, at this point

Thalion@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 349d (3 replies)

Bar low enough to trip over

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 349d (2 replies)

Suck it, Yemen and Eritrea!

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d (1 reply)

I mean, the mere fact that you have to reach for two of the most poverty stricken and lacking in natural resources countries in the world to compare with literally the richest country in this world in both money and natural resources is in itself pretty damn indicative of the failure of the US system to guard from giving the incompetent and the thoroughly corrupt all of the power.

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 349d

Well, yeah, that was definitely part of my thinking. But also the humanitarian abuses.

ragas@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 349d (6 replies)

Can you name a Government that is in worse shape?

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 349d (1 reply)

Russia might be, but that bar is lower than the Mariana Trench tbh..

Squizzy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 349d

Russia is dogwalking the US. They are a cancerous blight on humanity but they are better run than the US.

Before anyone finds a hint of respect for russia in here know there is none, greedy orcs rape and murder for someone else's yacht money when they could have been a first world silicon leader. Most naturally resourceful country on earth, too cowardly to make the necessary changes to their society to excel.

blattrules@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d

True. I don’t think I’d want to live in Russia, Afghanistan, North Korea or Hungary because of the shape of their governments, but it’s definitely a short list.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 349d

NK is basically a monarchy...

UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d

Nepal? China is gonna sweep in to help

Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 349d

This a question that I will always answer with "Belgium". Even in trump times.

kadup@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 349d (7 replies)

One is pretty much guaranteed to vote in favour of Bolsonaro, but a majority to condemn him is pretty much set. It's only a matter of time.

By Friday Brazilians will be drinking and partying.

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 13 pts · 349d (1 reply)

The Paulista is going to be great!

avg@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 349d

Man, I wish I could be there, celebrate twice as hard for me.

aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 349d (4 replies)
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Dagnet@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 349d (2 replies)

Neither are possible punishments in Brazil

Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d (1 reply)

They are in some extreme cases, but needs to be a lot more extreme than simply trying to destroy the country.

Dagnet@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d

No, death penalty doesn't exist here, neither does life in jail since sentences are capped

ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 5 pts · 349d

The maximum appears to be a prison sentence of 43 years.

TuffNutzes@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 349d (6 replies)

Brazil showing its third world theocratic shithole neighbor up north how it's done.

Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 349d

Don't forget South Korea

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 349d

You didn't have to do France wrong like this

AmidFuror@fedia.io · 3 pts · 349d (2 replies)

Venezuela isn't theocratic.

FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d (1 reply)

They’re talking about the US I think.

AmidFuror@fedia.io · 1 pts · 348d

Yeah, I figured. You don't have to look that far in South America, though.

calliope@retrolemmy.com · -4 pts · 348d

This is funny because it totally ignores that Bolsonaro was part of the government from 1991-2023.

So it took what, 30+ years to take the trash out?

What an example! Can’t wait.

njm1314@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 349d (6 replies)

Being unfamiliar with Brazilian judicial procedures I'm curious why the judges release their verdict at different times. Is there a reason for that?

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 349d (5 replies)

One of the judge's verdict today lasted like 5 hours. There are just that many crimes.

njm1314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d (4 replies)

So each Supreme justice is trying different cases then? They arent acting as a body?

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 349d (3 replies)

They are all judging the same case. They just took a long time explaining the reasoning behind the decision.

njm1314@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 349d (2 replies)

Well then I'm still confused as to why it's staggered.

ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 7 pts · 349d

Each judge comes to their own verdict. They're all ready, but given the exceptional case before them it takes a while to go through each of their verdicts.

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 349d

They're all presenting their homework assignment to the class, one after the other, but the bell rang, so now they'll continue next class.

YogaDouchebag@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 349d (1 reply)

Wow, never thought this could be possible! Respect to the Brazilian Government for this. I hope the US will have similar trial for Jan. 6.

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 349d

Me too! We won’t though.

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 349d (2 replies)

Is it just me or is drawing out a supreme court ruling like the results episode of a tv talent show a really weird way to deal with an attempted coup?

Strobelt@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 349d

It's not being drawn out. Yesterday there was also some procedural stuff before voting that took some hours. And every supreme court vote must come with a justification which the voter reads to the court for it to be accepted. So it takes some time.

ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 3 pts · 349d

It is but I'm not sure it's a bad thing.

charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 349d

Couldn't happen to a better piece of shit

Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 348d

Lock ‘em up!

lightsblinken@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d (1 reply)

three brazialian is so many to count!! no wonder its taking a while

pigup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d

"Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

George Bush: "OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"