I want to know if they tested him for fentanyl. I mean, sure, a bullet to the neck isn't good for you, but how do we know it wasn't a drug OD that actually killed him?
Funnily, I heard he was wearing a bulletproof vest and the bullet ricocheted off of that vest up into his neck. If that's true, his clothing did in fact get him killed.
Where can I find more information on this? I heard the same info from a right wing coworker I have conversations with occasionally. He’s real big into guns so what he said sounded legit to me as a not gun enthusiast.
Firstly, the burden of proof says it's their job to demonstrate that Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest in the first place (let alone that the bullet struck him in it first), not yours to debunk it. We've really lost sight of how important this is in recent years.
There's zero evidence Kirk was wearing body armor whatsoever.
I don't think we've ever seen evidence of Kirk wearing body armor to debates elsewhere.
A bullet would've left at minimum a noticeable tear in Kirk's clothing.
Neither journalists nor investigators mention anything about this even though there's zero compelling reason for them not to and, for journalists, incentives to do so.
The round was 7.62x63 mm fired from a bolt-action rifle.
If that round strikes body armor, in order for it to stop (let alone ricochet rather than embed), the armor needs to be so thick that you cannot hide it under civilian clothing like Kirk's. The armor would've been readily visible to everybody in attendance. Light armor Kirk realistically could've been wearing would be a non-factor.
Even if this magically happened, the improbably fucked-up physics required for a bullet to bounce from the torso into the cartoid artery seem vanishingly unlikely at best and implausible at worst.
While much of this just shows extreme unlikelihood, the thickness of the alleged body armor is impossible to reconcile with the round and the weapon it was fired from.
His main points were that you can see the body armor bounce when slowing the video way down, and that the caliber used would’ve blown his neck open, not just pierce the skin leaving a small, clean hole.
I think I already mentioned that I don’t know shit about guns, so my reply to that was, “huh.”
Here's what a 7.62x63 (".30-06") does to level III armor (think basic rifle protection, the kind that would actually stop the round that hit Kirk). This particular one is a large, very conspicuous plate of steel 8.5 mm thick and weighing 4 kg. You don't just slot this in under your shirt and look totally normal. If Kirk had done the lowest-profile possible thing and duct-taped the plate around his torso, you would still notice it under his clothing.
And it would have to have been hard armor, i.e. a rigid plate. Soft armor 1) wouldn't have stopped that round (that'd be more like a step down to level IIIA on the high end) and 2) would've embedded the round rather than ricocheting it.
True, but they’re not trying to claim otherwise. It’s an honest statement of ignorance, and practically a question. Because it was brought up, anyone reading this who hadn’t heard the truth now has.
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theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 61 pts · 363d
That is what he gets for saying gun violence isn't a problem and daring people to prove him wrong.
rustyfish@piefed.world · 41 pts · 363d
Which means he wanted it, dare if I say: he enjoyed it. Therefore no assassination.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 363d
hOrni@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 363d
It's not what he was wearing but how he looked. Ever seen him smile? Creepy as fuck, it's a wonder nobody shot him sooner.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 363d
i thinks its his wierd facial feature, its all compressed in the middle.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 362d
He was in a tent asking people to prove him wrong on gun violence. This was a consensual assassination. A bullet between two consenting adults.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 362d
Wearing a shirt that said “Freedom” also.
While he was blaming black and trans people for recent shootings. Then a white guy shot him.
Proven wrong, I’d say!
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 362d
If he didn't want it, he wouldn't talk like that and would wear kevlar
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 362d
I want to know if they tested him for fentanyl. I mean, sure, a bullet to the neck isn't good for you, but how do we know it wasn't a drug OD that actually killed him?
bstix@feddit.dk · 12 pts · 363d
Did he even say thank you?
SPRUNT@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 363d
Listen to him talk. You can tell he
iswas askin' for it.Grass@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 363d
ok I laughed at this big time for real
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
Wasn’t wearing a scarf.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
"He was asking for it"
Now, was that sarcasm or not? hehe. We'll never know.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works · -15 pts · 363d
Funnily, I heard he was wearing a bulletproof vest and the bullet ricocheted off of that vest up into his neck. If that's true, his clothing did in fact get him killed.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 363d
He was not. This has already been categorically debunked over and over again by people who know literally the first thing about ballistics.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 34 pts · 363d
Its ok we can have a little misinformation. As a treat
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 363d
i hear he was wearing a bulletproof neck and it ricocheted off his neck and then his vest just did that
DBT@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
Where can I find more information on this? I heard the same info from a right wing coworker I have conversations with occasionally. He’s real big into guns so what he said sounded legit to me as a not gun enthusiast.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 363d
Firstly, the burden of proof says it's their job to demonstrate that Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest in the first place (let alone that the bullet struck him in it first), not yours to debunk it. We've really lost sight of how important this is in recent years.
While much of this just shows extreme unlikelihood, the thickness of the alleged body armor is impossible to reconcile with the round and the weapon it was fired from.
DBT@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
His main points were that you can see the body armor bounce when slowing the video way down, and that the caliber used would’ve blown his neck open, not just pierce the skin leaving a small, clean hole.
I think I already mentioned that I don’t know shit about guns, so my reply to that was, “huh.”
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
Here's what a 7.62x63 (".30-06") does to level III armor (think basic rifle protection, the kind that would actually stop the round that hit Kirk). This particular one is a large, very conspicuous plate of steel 8.5 mm thick and weighing 4 kg. You don't just slot this in under your shirt and look totally normal. If Kirk had done the lowest-profile possible thing and duct-taped the plate around his torso, you would still notice it under his clothing.
And it would have to have been hard armor, i.e. a rigid plate. Soft armor 1) wouldn't have stopped that round (that'd be more like a step down to level IIIA on the high end) and 2) would've embedded the round rather than ricocheting it.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 363d
"His neck just did that" is unironically more believable
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 363d
His neck just gave out feom funneling bullshit
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 363d
must be high blood pressure causing a neck dissection of the artery, caused bya suspicious metal object.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 19 pts · 363d
I appreciate that you used “I heard” and “if that’s true”. Word choice can be very important, and it’s frustrating when people don’t notice it.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 363d
They're still repeating bullshit.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 10 pts · 363d
True, but they’re not trying to claim otherwise. It’s an honest statement of ignorance, and practically a question. Because it was brought up, anyone reading this who hadn’t heard the truth now has.
YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 363d
The world needs more of this type of thinking
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 1 pts · 363d
Why thank you!
skiguy0123@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 363d
https://preview.redd.it/cgi94x9tr2i51.jpg?auto=webp&s=65a22885afd727dabcbe64cf2ec215778d0d6fa0
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
yeah its fun huh
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
that is funny