Not that any of that matters. She was ok on the movie, so very few people complained and no studio amplified the race-rage to cover up for the people complaining that the movie sucks.
A Celt with a shaved head wearing Asian robes, living in a Tibetan monastery that Dr. Strange reaches after backpacking through Asia looking for spiritual enlightenment lol
Sure. Doesn't stop it from being blatant Orientalism on screen while not even bothering to cast an Asian person for the role.
At least give her a knot tattoo or something, damn, that's just some bald white lady that you made vague and irrelevant Druidic implications about otherwise.
It'd have been really cool if they had each sorcerer using distinct styles based on different traditional mysticisms but maybe that's a bit much to expect of Disney.
Somehow, it's more normal than everybody in a group that recruits people from all over the world for tens of thousands of years having the same ethnicity...
But I understand if you are complaining it's different from the comics. As I said, it doesn't matter.
While that would have made it more explicit yes, it wasn't that hard to figure out they were talking about two different characters when you understand that the bald monk wasn't labelled romani
I saw something that it only works if the character was in a book that hasn't had a movie adaptation yet. In the Shawshank Redemption, "Red" was originally a white irishman. But because bigots don't read books, it didn't upset anyone when Morgan Freeman played him.
You know I don't care but it ever only happens one way. If they just choose the best person for the role there should be some white people who are best. And I don't mean these from comic books. I mean fables and tales like the little mermaid is a white or black Mulan a none polynesian Muai. Or how about race switching a real person like an Asian playing Roasa Parks. Since they did get a black woman to play Anne Boleyn who was a real person.
And if we want to represent more diverse people in the film industry whey retell the same stories, it seems kind of odd to just swap a character and say diversity. Why not tell some of their stories.
Uhh, off the top of my head, Nick Fury was white, but Jackson was awesome, and no one wants anyone else to have that role. kingpins is white but Michael Clarke Duncan fucking rocked that shit. Heimdell was Idris Elba, and he was awesome in that part. Zendaya, as mj was the best mj so far. I'm sure there's more, so maybe stop rage baiting...
I'd say he was a good part of a blase movie. I don't know about "rock[ing] it," because we saw such a good performance in the daredevil tv show that the white painting is just etched in my mind forever.
I'll clarify: if anyone actually thinks that an actor playing a role is ugly, and gets mad about it, that's pathetic. But we all know why their calling her "ugly" don't we?
And if that's not blatant enough: they're calling her ugly because she's black, not because she's unattractive. And I don't mean to imply she's unattractive by this, just that her attractiveness isn't the actual problem.
B: She's got this... How do I describe it? 'Mythologic' look? Like she's how I'd picture a siren out of The Odyssey or something like that.
Again, I'm all for actors matching their characters, and soulless 'diversity' casting just for the veneer of inclusivity can be less than ideal, but that's not close to the case here. The rage around Ariel was just totally absurd (and absolutely racist).
I don't want to comment prematurely about her looks. I haven't seen the movie, I don't know how well she played the role, and I don't believe I've seen a lot from that actor, so I have no basis by which I can create an opinion either way.
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Cypher@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 320d
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 320d
I don't know this one but it looks like the bald monk lady was supposed to be Tibetan, not Romani? She's definitely not Tibetan.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 20 pts · 320d
She's a recast of an Orientalist character because they decided that was less problematic than the Orientalism
But they still did the rest of the Orientalism and Wong was the best part of the movie so...
marcos@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 320d
They made her Celtic...
Not that any of that matters. She was ok on the movie, so very few people complained and no studio amplified the race-rage to cover up for the people complaining that the movie sucks.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 5 pts · 319d
A Celt with a shaved head wearing Asian robes, living in a Tibetan monastery that Dr. Strange reaches after backpacking through Asia looking for spiritual enlightenment lol
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 319d
They can teleport anywhere in the word at will. If anything, they should have been more diverse.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 319d
Sure. Doesn't stop it from being blatant Orientalism on screen while not even bothering to cast an Asian person for the role.
At least give her a knot tattoo or something, damn, that's just some bald white lady that you made vague and irrelevant Druidic implications about otherwise.
It'd have been really cool if they had each sorcerer using distinct styles based on different traditional mysticisms but maybe that's a bit much to expect of Disney.
marcos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Somehow, it's more normal than everybody in a group that recruits people from all over the world for tens of thousands of years having the same ethnicity...
But I understand if you are complaining it's different from the comics. As I said, it doesn't matter.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 319d
No, I'm saying what they did was still blatant Orientalism they just wouldn't even let an Asian actor have the leading part.
Cypher@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
reev@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 319d
I think the "this" in "this implies" can read as referring to the casting choice for the tibetan monk, not to the meme itself.
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 319d
It was unclear because you switched topic mid sentence without even using a comma. We ain't mind readers.
Soulg@ani.social · 1 pts · 319d
While that would have made it more explicit yes, it wasn't that hard to figure out they were talking about two different characters when you understand that the bald monk wasn't labelled romani
13igTyme@piefed.social · 40 pts · 320d
I saw something that it only works if the character was in a book that hasn't had a movie adaptation yet. In the Shawshank Redemption, "Red" was originally a white irishman. But because bigots don't read books, it didn't upset anyone when Morgan Freeman played him.
RaoulDuke@piefed.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 320d
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 319d
You know I don't care but it ever only happens one way. If they just choose the best person for the role there should be some white people who are best. And I don't mean these from comic books. I mean fables and tales like the little mermaid is a white or black Mulan a none polynesian Muai. Or how about race switching a real person like an Asian playing Roasa Parks. Since they did get a black woman to play Anne Boleyn who was a real person.
And if we want to represent more diverse people in the film industry whey retell the same stories, it seems kind of odd to just swap a character and say diversity. Why not tell some of their stories.
Upperhand@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 320d
Uhh, off the top of my head, Nick Fury was white, but Jackson was awesome, and no one wants anyone else to have that role. kingpins is white but Michael Clarke Duncan fucking rocked that shit. Heimdell was Idris Elba, and he was awesome in that part. Zendaya, as mj was the best mj so far. I'm sure there's more, so maybe stop rage baiting...
protist@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 320d
Isn't the point of this meme to mock the people who are enraged?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 320d
Some kind of selective rage even
Delusions@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 320d
Actually Nick fury was black in ultimate universe before the movies and drawn to look like Sam Jackson on purpose
hypna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
Rage bait is the life blood of social media.... I should go read a book
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Zendaya is overrated
njm1314@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 320d
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 320d
I'd say he was a good part of a blase movie. I don't know about "rock[ing] it," because we saw such a good performance in the daredevil tv show that the white painting is just etched in my mind forever.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 320d
It really do be like that.
A lot. No seriously like an alarming amount of "a lot"
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 320d
Role. Actor.
Role. Actor.
Role. Actor.
Role. Actor.
Role. Actor.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 320d
In case anyone else was wondering...
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Yeah, has anyone considered that people simply weren't familiar with the source material for the rest of these?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 320d
As I said before:
They hate live action Ariel because she's "ugly."
And that is so much worse. Especially when people see nothing wrong with that statement.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 319d
Imagine being so vain that you get angry that a movie role is played by someone that you think is ugly.
How pathetic.
I'm not sure if that's worse than being a racist piece of shit about it, but it can't be far behind.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
Well that's just it; it's tied up in racism. They're calling Ariel ugly because she's an African American woman.
I mean... I'm fine with people complaining about actors not fitting roles, but that's not the case here.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 319d
Oh. Was my comment too subtle?
I'll clarify: if anyone actually thinks that an actor playing a role is ugly, and gets mad about it, that's pathetic. But we all know why their calling her "ugly" don't we?
And if that's not blatant enough: they're calling her ugly because she's black, not because she's unattractive. And I don't mean to imply she's unattractive by this, just that her attractiveness isn't the actual problem.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
It's especially ridiculous because:
A: Halle Bailey's painfully gorgeous
B: She's got this... How do I describe it? 'Mythologic' look? Like she's how I'd picture a siren out of The Odyssey or something like that.
Again, I'm all for actors matching their characters, and soulless 'diversity' casting just for the veneer of inclusivity can be less than ideal, but that's not close to the case here. The rage around Ariel was just totally absurd (and absolutely racist).
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 318d
I don't want to comment prematurely about her looks. I haven't seen the movie, I don't know how well she played the role, and I don't believe I've seen a lot from that actor, so I have no basis by which I can create an opinion either way.
monogram@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 319d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 319d
Consistency is good, provided the reason for being mad is valid.
monogram@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 318d
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 320d
Imagine getting mad because a black girl played a mermaid in a Disney movie.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 319d
Show me a tale from another country where they put in a white person. The little Mermaid is a Danish tale.
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
iirc the live action little mermaid tales place in the carribean, not denmark
GreyPilgrim@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 317d
This isn’t political, it’s just a comment on the acting and entertainment industry as being racist.