Yes, the leaders of the parties are, in fact, politicians. I'm not seeing what point you're trying to make, he's even cited as "the leader of Canada's official opposition party" farther down the page.
I'm discussing the headline, and yes I'm aware they're politicians, headlines conventionally refer to people by the most notable thing about them if they can't get away with directly naming them and people knowing who they're talking about.
"A Canadian politician" implies some borderline rando rather than the leader of a major opposition party, which is more concerning than the headline implies
You're reaching, the headline is hardly doing that, and the article certainly isn't. Even someone unfamiliar with Canadian political parties and their members couldn't possibly come away with the impression that Poilievre is a "borderline rando" unless they failed to spend 30 seconds reading that 1/4 essay of a blurb.
Again I'm talking about the headline in isolation, not the rest of the article.
The reason it's important is that if people do read "borderline rando" rather than "leader of a significant party", there's a much greater chance they don't click and get the extra context
The headline is doing exactly that. My first reaction was "of course some asshole is, probably a conservative." And then I clued into the photo and recognized the buffoon. If I wasn't a Canadian, or didn't have the picture, or maybe wasn't good with faces, I would have scrolled by not realizing the idiot in question iis the leader of the Conservative Party.
A responsible headline would have said that. It might as well have said "A random white guy from Canada is openly spreading propaganda." I mean it's a true headline right? Not misleading at all.
Heās a piece of shit. Got voted out last election and then made another politician resign so he could run a āsafeā conservative riding in Alberta. He is a garbage person with zero redeeming qualities who has never passed a piece of legislation despite being a lifelong politician never having any other job. Heās a grifter who has sucked off the taxpayer tit his entire career. He lives in taxpayer subsidized housing . He will never be Canadas Prime Minister. We call him PeePee, or Millhouse or just āmassive douchebagā.
For those in the US, it's the equivalent of a governor with presidential aspirations blowing a 30 point lead to lose the election, then immediately getting voted out of his governorship, only to then ask Greg Abbott to step down so he can run for governor of Texas while living in DC.
Canada being a racist country pretending to be progressive is its biggest flaw, I grew up hearing about how perfect Canada is, and then I got older and learned about residential schools and genocide and how they have historically treated people like me.
Now im old and I see a country that doesnāt care that its citizens canāt afford food or rent or a future. It was all a lie.
Having said that, pp represents the people who caused all the misery and hate for centuries
He's just the latest in Rupert Murdoch's line of pets he has trying to spread his shit across Canada.
Harper was one too but thankfully his plan to implement Sun news, which would have been a news channel that was the Canadian equivalent of Fox, was never brought to fruition.
But sadly much of rural Canada drinks the Fox news firehose.
Dont brush it off. Look at us to the south. Dont brush this off. Chase these people with pitch forks and torches until they are forced to make their own shantytown in the wilderness. It won't go away they have to be forcibly removed.
And in a way thatās fine because he will never appeal to swing (liberal-conservative) voters with his extremism which means his party will never win with him as leader. Which is fine by me. Itās been a decade since Harper left and no one from that shit party has won since Harper. They need a moderate like Erin OāToole or Peter McKay to actually win. But the CP party has been taken over by reform alliance douchebags, so they wonāt win.
well we did. and then one of his lackeys who did win in some butt fuck no where town decided to step down so PP could have it. I mean the guy not only lost the PM race but also lost his home riding so he quite literally had to move somewhere else and have that place handed to him.
He has to be the worst candidate they have put forward in a long time, carney is pissing me off but this guy is dangerous. As soon as he came back he started in in immigrants and his supporters started up their racist protests
It seems that Beaver Trump wants to invoke the tired, old "But socialism in 'national socialism!'" trick. Surely, the same logic applies to Deutsche Demokratische Republik. I remember coming across Poilievre during the WE Charity scandal. I'm not Canadian but I really like their Fifth Estate documentaries and their coverage on the aforementioned scandal caught my eye. In a separate video, Poilievre grills the two heads of the operation. This seemly obscure Canadian PM suddenly became Canada's favorite favourite politician and possibly the next prime minister. But it soon become clear that Poilievre was just another right-wing, Trump-esque populist.
So if socialism is bad because it's in the name of Nazis, then democratic republics for the people must be pretty horrible too, going by the DPRK.
While we're cherry-picking, the Kingdom of Norway is consistently one of the best countries to live in across several metrics. So clearly we should go back to kingdoms, because it's in the name. Sometimes the old ways are best XD
Thanks for sharing that idea! I appreciate what youāre getting at: that basic care (food, clothing) embodies the tenet of equality in socialism. However, the example of a parent feeding a child doesn't quite capture the power-relations, freedoms, and systems aspects of socialism. I don't think we really want to say a master feeding/clothing their slave or a king feeding/clothing a favorite court jester is really "demonstrating socialism". Socialism is about how society as a whole arranges ownership, production, and resource distribution (i.e. collective ownership of the means of production). It's a counter to capitalism.
Parental relationships are, ironically, a special case where limiting freedoms and greater power disparity are justified in most egalitarian systems. We usually don't give children ownership over the means of production.
He's trying to be disruptive in the same way as politicians in the Trump regime, and there's probably a reason for that. Maybe the same reason he won't get his security clearance?
The pro trump anti woke rhetoric is not popular. I didnt believe it since I live in Alberta and my sample group is a bunch of drooling fucking morons, but after watching him tank the last election by leaning pro trump I think they will have to ditch him and that approach if the conservatives want to win.
I hope you're right but with the way Carney is absolutely shitting the bed with leftists, I'm not sure we'll have as many people leaning Liberal next time which could lead to a Conservative minority. I know a lot of people that are regretting not voting NDP even though they normally would have.
Because an extremist like him cannot convince enough swing voters to vote for him. I know conservatives who voted for Carney because heās essentially a Blue Tory or what would have been a progressive conservative back in the day before the Conservative Party in Canada got taken over by the extremist Reform party. No way PeePee appeals to enough moderates. Harper and Peter McKay merged the conservatives and the reform and we havenāt had a conservative PM since Harper a decade ago. Canadians federally are mostly just liberal.
Not to mention, as long as Doug Ford (the most powerful conservative in Canada) is in power in Ontario, federally the country will never go conservative. There is always either a conservative federal government with a liberal Ontario provincial government or a liberal federal government with a conservative Ontario provincial government. They never align.
I can never tell if politicians honestly believe the National Socialism of the Nazis was actually socialist, of if they're taking advantage of dumb voters. If it's the opinion of a "man on the street", then yes, he's that dumb.
I think the answer to your confusion is in the fact that the actions National Socialists always take is the oppression and subjugation of the vulnerable in society.
that in itself is proof that they are not socialists, but fascists.
Their rhetoric was that they'd target the secret cabal controlling the banking system. Their actions were to subjugate the vulnerable, but that's exactly what socialist governments do, too.
This guy is human garbage. One of the moat dishonest politicians in Canadian history. If carney hadn't run, we have had freedland, and she'd have had a historical lose to pp because of her ties to trudeau. We'd be the 51st state already.
The claim that the Nazis were actually socialists is an early Nazi lie - it's in the name of the party after all - to gain votes. They never changed that name, so they perpetrated that lie and never officially retracted it. They were fascist, not socialist. It's not impossible to be both, I grant you, but one does not imply the other.
Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.
They were fascist, not socialist. Itās not impossible to be both
I mean... socialism as an economic system isn't strictly incompatible with ethnic nationalism, so long as you're willing to buy into the eugenic arguments of who constitutes "real people". Once you consign a certain share of the population to the category of "property" and "pests", you can slap the framework for a socialist system on top of the nightmarish politics of mass murder.
One could argue that Germany's rapid resurgence in the wake of the Great Depression came about precisely because the reactionary movement wasn't hopelessly wedded to the libertarian laisse-faire economics. The boom that Germany enjoyed in the 1930s was absolutely the result of a radically left wing approach to centralized state-run planning. But the purpose of that surge in productivity was to invade, loot, and plunder German's immediate neighbors in a quest of European and North African re-colonization.
Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.
What separates modern Trumpism from European fascism is this hopeless adherence to market theories of economic advancement. You can see it plainly in the government shutdown fight. Trump wants to fire millions of federal workers, under the dogged assumption that his erstwhile friends in the Tech Sector can replace them all with a fancy computer.
He's all in on the Superiority Color Wheel, but fully divested of respect for engineering, logistics, and agricultural best-practices. Say what you will about Rommel, but the man knew how to budget out a tank of gas. Trumpism is about flooding the markets with paper currency and hoping his C-level buddies in banking and tech can figure out how to do economic management better than he can.
Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.
There's a massive logical fallacy here. The fact that someone doesn't like socialism, doesn't make them nazi.
Sure. They could just be deluged in the neoliberal free market propaganda of the current media cycle.
But they're also a crop of individuals ripe for fascist ideology. The Randian Objectivists of the 1980s were slowly and inexorably converted into the Bush Era Christian Nationalists of the War on Terror Era. The Tea Party Libertarians of the 2000s were ultimately indoctrinated into the QAnon/MAGA movement of the 2020s. Once you buy into this idea of certain classes of people being economic parasites who deserve to be disciplined or exterminated by the Invisible Hand, you're primed to accept that you can spot these people based on their race or religion or ideological affiliation.
Nazism is downstream of capitalism. Henry Ford was handing out copies of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in all his dealerships for a reason.
āSocialismā, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, āis the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
āSocialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
āWe might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are oneā¦
āWhatā, I continued my cross-examination, āare the fundamental planks of your platform?ā
āWe believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.ā
āMussoliniā, I interjected, āsaid the same to meā. Hitler beamed.
āThe slumsā, he added, āare responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialisedā¦ If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.ā
āWhere will you find the room to work?ā
āWe must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'ā
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9point6@lemmy.world · 129 pts · 342d
"A Canadian politician"
Isn't this guy the head of their conservative party?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 53 pts · 342d
Yup.
ShadowRam@fedia.io · 46 pts · 342d
After he lost in the election,
Some rando step aside and give him his conservative seat.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 341d
Also he didn't even get the re elected in his own riding
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 342d
Hey now, it could have been the liberal party. They've made the "Whoopsie!" of endorsing fascism before.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 342d
Taking over from a US citizen.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 342d
Probably not for long
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 342d
Yes, the leaders of the parties are, in fact, politicians. I'm not seeing what point you're trying to make, he's even cited as "the leader of Canada's official opposition party" farther down the page.
9point6@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 342d
I'm discussing the headline, and yes I'm aware they're politicians, headlines conventionally refer to people by the most notable thing about them if they can't get away with directly naming them and people knowing who they're talking about.
"A Canadian politician" implies some borderline rando rather than the leader of a major opposition party, which is more concerning than the headline implies
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 342d
You're reaching, the headline is hardly doing that, and the article certainly isn't. Even someone unfamiliar with Canadian political parties and their members couldn't possibly come away with the impression that Poilievre is a "borderline rando" unless they failed to spend 30 seconds reading that 1/4 essay of a blurb.
9point6@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 342d
Again I'm talking about the headline in isolation, not the rest of the article.
The reason it's important is that if people do read "borderline rando" rather than "leader of a significant party", there's a much greater chance they don't click and get the extra context
Chip_Rat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
The headline is doing exactly that. My first reaction was "of course some asshole is, probably a conservative." And then I clued into the photo and recognized the buffoon. If I wasn't a Canadian, or didn't have the picture, or maybe wasn't good with faces, I would have scrolled by not realizing the idiot in question iis the leader of the Conservative Party.
A responsible headline would have said that. It might as well have said "A random white guy from Canada is openly spreading propaganda." I mean it's a true headline right? Not misleading at all.
mintiefresh@piefed.social · 83 pts · 342d
Man we had such a nice break from him since the election.
Luci@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 342d
Not on my Facebook feed š
PeacefulForest@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 342d
Luci@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 342d
Where else would I go to see old people yell about the youth?????
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 342d
I hear that it's fun to stay at the YMCA š¤·
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 342d
That's what you get on a Nazi social media site.
Luci@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 342d
Itās how I talk to my mom. Sorry for having a mother I love?
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 4 pts · 341d
I used to just call my mom.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 72 pts · 342d
He's a f--king dumbass. Lot's of us Canadians refer to him as "Piss Pants" or "Pee Pee".
Enkers@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 342d
Sadly, that doesn't disqualify him from holding office.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 341d
The fact that he can't get Canadians to vote for him, however does.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 341d
Thats Little Pee Pee, thank you very much.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 62 pts · 341d
Heās a piece of shit. Got voted out last election and then made another politician resign so he could run a āsafeā conservative riding in Alberta. He is a garbage person with zero redeeming qualities who has never passed a piece of legislation despite being a lifelong politician never having any other job. Heās a grifter who has sucked off the taxpayer tit his entire career. He lives in taxpayer subsidized housing . He will never be Canadas Prime Minister. We call him PeePee, or Millhouse or just āmassive douchebagā.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 341d
He got voted out AND lost his riding.
For those in the US, it's the equivalent of a governor with presidential aspirations blowing a 30 point lead to lose the election, then immediately getting voted out of his governorship, only to then ask Greg Abbott to step down so he can run for governor of Texas while living in DC.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 341d
More like a senator than a governor
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 340d
The guy fails big. And with no shame. We should give it a name.
Pp level fail.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 340d
He and Danielle smith need to fuck right off this planet. Send them back to mars
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 339d
Hard agree.
Sanctus@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 342d
Shut him up now or you'll be like us in less than a decade.
Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 342d
It's already far deeper than him.. he's just what bubbled to the surface in that pot.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 342d
Canada being a racist country pretending to be progressive is its biggest flaw, I grew up hearing about how perfect Canada is, and then I got older and learned about residential schools and genocide and how they have historically treated people like me. Now im old and I see a country that doesnāt care that its citizens canāt afford food or rent or a future. It was all a lie.
Having said that, pp represents the people who caused all the misery and hate for centuries
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 342d
Too late. Country has already shifted right.
Routhinator@startrek.website · 3 pts · 341d
He's just the latest in Rupert Murdoch's line of pets he has trying to spread his shit across Canada.
Harper was one too but thankfully his plan to implement Sun news, which would have been a news channel that was the Canadian equivalent of Fox, was never brought to fruition.
But sadly much of rural Canada drinks the Fox news firehose.
Sanctus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
Dont brush it off. Look at us to the south. Dont brush this off. Chase these people with pitch forks and torches until they are forced to make their own shantytown in the wilderness. It won't go away they have to be forcibly removed.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 341d
It's not going to take that long. there are a lot of people that really love them
but yes I do hope that we can sort our shit out and not end up like you. and if we do, please everybody else treat us like shit
LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 342d
Unfortunately his base laps this shit up like free Monster Energy at an anti vax rally
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 342d
Nazism and the Oil & Gas Industry have been inexorably bound for over a century.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 341d
It's more that all capitalism in industry is tied to Nazism, not just Oil & Gas unfortunately
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 341d
And in a way thatās fine because he will never appeal to swing (liberal-conservative) voters with his extremism which means his party will never win with him as leader. Which is fine by me. Itās been a decade since Harper left and no one from that shit party has won since Harper. They need a moderate like Erin OāToole or Peter McKay to actually win. But the CP party has been taken over by reform alliance douchebags, so they wonāt win.
cornshark@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
Didn't they literally run with Erin O'Toole and still not win? So that doesn't seem like the answer
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 340d
Erin OāToole was too moderate for the fucks in the con party,
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 341d
It's never a bad day to punch a nazi.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 341d
Milhouse is already very punchable, Nazi or not. So sick of seeing him everywhere.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 342d
Fuck that guy. I hate pp so much.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 342d
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 342d
Heh, but...
"Fuck that guy" - not lesbians
Glide@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 342d
Ah yes, gloss past the fact that they were nationalists before they were socialists, even if you take their name at face value.
Fucking Polievere. Every time I think he can't get any more unlikable.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 341d
Tiny PP is a piece of shit. I had hoped Canada had cut off its PP earlier this year but Nazis are like hydras
rozodru@piefed.social · 5 pts · 341d
well we did. and then one of his lackeys who did win in some butt fuck no where town decided to step down so PP could have it. I mean the guy not only lost the PM race but also lost his home riding so he quite literally had to move somewhere else and have that place handed to him.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 342d
He has to be the worst candidate they have put forward in a long time, carney is pissing me off but this guy is dangerous. As soon as he came back he started in in immigrants and his supporters started up their racist protests
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 341d
It seems that Beaver Trump wants to invoke the tired, old "But socialism in 'national socialism!'" trick. Surely, the same logic applies to Deutsche Demokratische Republik. I remember coming across Poilievre during the WE Charity scandal. I'm not Canadian but I really like their Fifth Estate documentaries and their coverage on the aforementioned scandal caught my eye. In a separate video, Poilievre grills the two heads of the operation. This seemly obscure Canadian PM suddenly became Canada's
favoritefavourite politician and possibly the next prime minister. But it soon become clear that Poilievre was just another right-wing, Trump-esque populist.Soleos@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 341d
So if socialism is bad because it's in the name of Nazis, then democratic republics for the people must be pretty horrible too, going by the DPRK.
While we're cherry-picking, the Kingdom of Norway is consistently one of the best countries to live in across several metrics. So clearly we should go back to kingdoms, because it's in the name. Sometimes the old ways are best XD
Paragone@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 341d
There's a much more-fundamental example:
Socialism is when parents shelter, clothe, & feed, their children, who don't have earnings to shelter/clothe/feed themselves.
Every parent who feeds their babies is demonstrating socialism, no matter what their politics purport to be.
Keep the framing universal, & that guts the gaslighting's position MUCH more effectively.
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Soleos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 341d
Thanks for sharing that idea! I appreciate what youāre getting at: that basic care (food, clothing) embodies the tenet of equality in socialism. However, the example of a parent feeding a child doesn't quite capture the power-relations, freedoms, and systems aspects of socialism. I don't think we really want to say a master feeding/clothing their slave or a king feeding/clothing a favorite court jester is really "demonstrating socialism". Socialism is about how society as a whole arranges ownership, production, and resource distribution (i.e. collective ownership of the means of production). It's a counter to capitalism.
Parental relationships are, ironically, a special case where limiting freedoms and greater power disparity are justified in most egalitarian systems. We usually don't give children ownership over the means of production.
Good formal description: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socialism
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 341d
He's trying to be disruptive in the same way as politicians in the Trump regime, and there's probably a reason for that. Maybe the same reason he won't get his security clearance?
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
He's dollar store Trump?
https://youtu.be/R59JmC0u63I
20cello@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 342d
Kick him in the mouth
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 342d
Weenie.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 342d
So glad this goof didnt get elected.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 342d
Well, he had to have his own election to get a seat this time around.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
He may win next election unfortunatly
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 342d
Yeah Carney pulled out the win on anti-Trump sentiment but since then he's put his elbows down. Way down.
Our Liberals are as weak as the Democrats and we're all going to pay for it.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 341d
The pro trump anti woke rhetoric is not popular. I didnt believe it since I live in Alberta and my sample group is a bunch of drooling fucking morons, but after watching him tank the last election by leaning pro trump I think they will have to ditch him and that approach if the conservatives want to win.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 341d
I hope you are rightt
garbagebagel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
I hope you're right but with the way Carney is absolutely shitting the bed with leftists, I'm not sure we'll have as many people leaning Liberal next time which could lead to a Conservative minority. I know a lot of people that are regretting not voting NDP even though they normally would have.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 342d
Yes. Stupidity and hate is also a weapon for the Canadian-style fascists.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 341d
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mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 341d
How do you know?
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 341d
Because an extremist like him cannot convince enough swing voters to vote for him. I know conservatives who voted for Carney because heās essentially a Blue Tory or what would have been a progressive conservative back in the day before the Conservative Party in Canada got taken over by the extremist Reform party. No way PeePee appeals to enough moderates. Harper and Peter McKay merged the conservatives and the reform and we havenāt had a conservative PM since Harper a decade ago. Canadians federally are mostly just liberal.
Not to mention, as long as Doug Ford (the most powerful conservative in Canada) is in power in Ontario, federally the country will never go conservative. There is always either a conservative federal government with a liberal Ontario provincial government or a liberal federal government with a conservative Ontario provincial government. They never align.
So no. PeePee will never be PM.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
Extremist Trump won though and it was obvious that he would make america trash again
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 341d
We have an entirely different system up here.
Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 342d
Paragone@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 341d
From what I've read, Canada DOESN'T designate nazis as terrorists.
Chickens DO come home to roost, "leaders", INEVITABLY.
Correct the problem!
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shalafi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 342d
I can never tell if politicians honestly believe the National Socialism of the Nazis was actually socialist, of if they're taking advantage of dumb voters. If it's the opinion of a "man on the street", then yes, he's that dumb.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 341d
After spending a couple of years on Lemmy and hearing actual socialist rhetoric, I can see why people would conflate the two.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
I think the answer to your confusion is in the fact that the actions National Socialists always take is the oppression and subjugation of the vulnerable in society.
that in itself is proof that they are not socialists, but fascists.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 341d
Their rhetoric was that they'd target the secret cabal controlling the banking system. Their actions were to subjugate the vulnerable, but that's exactly what socialist governments do, too.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 340d
PP so pathetic. Lost the election lost his riding lost his mind. And heās a career politician. So none of this is excusable.
Pathetic.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 340d
This fucking guy almost made Prime Minister. That's how close we got to more of this bullshit.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 341d
I thought this guy was supposed to be smart?
garbagebagel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
I think he's banking on his followers being not-zo smart
Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 339d
Kurious84@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 342d
Is he as dumb as our clown in chief
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 341d
not quite as much dementia
Paragone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 340d
No, his claims are not "simply" ignorant, as the article claims:
his claims are INTENTIONALLY ignorant, which is malevolent, is disinformation, & is gaslighting-of-fact.
The difference between the 2 states is signficant.
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TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
readers adding context intensifies
Devanismyname@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 339d
This guy is human garbage. One of the moat dishonest politicians in Canadian history. If carney hadn't run, we have had freedland, and she'd have had a historical lose to pp because of her ties to trudeau. We'd be the 51st state already.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · -36 pts · 342d
There's no nazi propagand in what he said. You could argue he's wrong, but this headline is a clickbait for stupids
palordrolap@fedia.io · 22 pts · 342d
The claim that the Nazis were actually socialists is an early Nazi lie - it's in the name of the party after all - to gain votes. They never changed that name, so they perpetrated that lie and never officially retracted it. They were fascist, not socialist. It's not impossible to be both, I grant you, but one does not imply the other.
Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 342d
People always complain that socialism is a slippery slope into fascism yet are somehow blind that capitalism is doing the same thing.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · 1 pts · 341d
Literally noone does. It's a slippery slope to totalitarianism, but that's not the same as fascizm
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 342d
I mean... socialism as an economic system isn't strictly incompatible with ethnic nationalism, so long as you're willing to buy into the eugenic arguments of who constitutes "real people". Once you consign a certain share of the population to the category of "property" and "pests", you can slap the framework for a socialist system on top of the nightmarish politics of mass murder.
One could argue that Germany's rapid resurgence in the wake of the Great Depression came about precisely because the reactionary movement wasn't hopelessly wedded to the libertarian laisse-faire economics. The boom that Germany enjoyed in the 1930s was absolutely the result of a radically left wing approach to centralized state-run planning. But the purpose of that surge in productivity was to invade, loot, and plunder German's immediate neighbors in a quest of European and North African re-colonization.
What separates modern Trumpism from European fascism is this hopeless adherence to market theories of economic advancement. You can see it plainly in the government shutdown fight. Trump wants to fire millions of federal workers, under the dogged assumption that his erstwhile friends in the Tech Sector can replace them all with a fancy computer.
He's all in on the Superiority Color Wheel, but fully divested of respect for engineering, logistics, and agricultural best-practices. Say what you will about Rommel, but the man knew how to budget out a tank of gas. Trumpism is about flooding the markets with paper currency and hoping his C-level buddies in banking and tech can figure out how to do economic management better than he can.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · 3 pts · 342d
There's a massive logical fallacy here. The fact that someone doesn't like socialism, doesn't make them nazi.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 342d
Sure. They could just be deluged in the neoliberal free market propaganda of the current media cycle.
But they're also a crop of individuals ripe for fascist ideology. The Randian Objectivists of the 1980s were slowly and inexorably converted into the Bush Era Christian Nationalists of the War on Terror Era. The Tea Party Libertarians of the 2000s were ultimately indoctrinated into the QAnon/MAGA movement of the 2020s. Once you buy into this idea of certain classes of people being economic parasites who deserve to be disciplined or exterminated by the Invisible Hand, you're primed to accept that you can spot these people based on their race or religion or ideological affiliation.
Nazism is downstream of capitalism. Henry Ford was handing out copies of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in all his dealerships for a reason.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · 3 pts · 341d
facepalm
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
āWhyā, I asked Hitler, ādo you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?ā
āSocialismā, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, āis the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
āSocialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
āWe might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are oneā¦
āWhatā, I continued my cross-examination, āare the fundamental planks of your platform?ā
āWe believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.ā
āMussoliniā, I interjected, āsaid the same to meā. Hitler beamed.
āThe slumsā, he added, āare responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialisedā¦ If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.ā
āWhere will you find the room to work?ā
āWe must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'ā