Is this accepted historical fact? Or just played up for the meme?
Because i also hate the implication that any deep and meaningful friendship such as a man being devastated over the death of their close friend and confidant totally must be gay.
IIRC the operating assumption is "sure, probably". Macedonian kings very much did often have (multiple) male (and female) lovers, so in a way it would be weird if Alexander didn't have at least some. And Alexander is described as showing "restraint" with his wives, and the sources do constantly talk about how close Haephaestion was to him, and how they're like Achilles and Patrocles, and how they were inseparable, and practically all but tell us he was his boyfriend... but they don't seem to actually say it outright, which, considering one claims Alexander's father was assassinated because one of his lovers got raped by another of his lovers, is kind of a weird thing to leave on the table.
"Gay" is probably the wrong word either way, though - both "gay" and "straight" are modern concepts that don't really translate that well into antiquity.
So in a way, could it be that the Republicans are trying to protect the countries of the world from obliteration by making sure that there will never be a likeminded general in power again?
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FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 54 pts · 355d
They were such good friends, they were even bedmates! I hope that I can have that good of a friend someday!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 10 pts · 355d
There's no shame in sharing a bed in war times. This way a blanket will go to a soldier in need. They did this to better the lives of their people!
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip · 47 pts · 355d
Is this accepted historical fact? Or just played up for the meme?
Because i also hate the implication that any deep and meaningful friendship such as a man being devastated over the death of their close friend and confidant totally must be gay.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 354d
IIRC the operating assumption is "sure, probably". Macedonian kings very much did often have (multiple) male (and female) lovers, so in a way it would be weird if Alexander didn't have at least some. And Alexander is described as showing "restraint" with his wives, and the sources do constantly talk about how close Haephaestion was to him, and how they're like Achilles and Patrocles, and how they were inseparable, and practically all but tell us he was his boyfriend... but they don't seem to actually say it outright, which, considering one claims Alexander's father was assassinated because one of his lovers got raped by another of his lovers, is kind of a weird thing to leave on the table.
"Gay" is probably the wrong word either way, though - both "gay" and "straight" are modern concepts that don't really translate that well into antiquity.
Brutticus@midwest.social · 4 pts · 354d
Its pretty well documented that Alexander specifically had relationships with men and women, but he seems to have preferred men as sexual partners.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 355d
Really good friends.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 32 pts · 355d
omg besties
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 355d
Roommate. They're roommate.
Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 355d
oh man they were roomates
railway692@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 355d
and they were roommates
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 355d
itkovian@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 355d
BFFs. No doubt about it.
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 355d
Butt Fuckin Friends
plyth@feddit.org · 12 pts · 355d
There were also rumors about Caesar.
So in a way, could it be that the Republicans are trying to protect the countries of the world from obliteration by making sure that there will never be a likeminded general in power again?
sirico@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 355d
Rents cheaper with a friend have you seen the prices in Damascus
reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 354d
Christian historians colouring facts to conform to their beliefs.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 355d
oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 355d
!herfriend@sappho.social