The nazis' definition of Jewish people had hardly anything to do with religion. They persecuted them based on lineage and pseudoscientific horseshit that was supposed to identify Jewish "genes"...
Yea, religion is made up and should be ignored. Just like currency, boarders, sovereignty, human rights, the concept of law, literature, art, and language itself. Brilliant.
Probably rebuilding after a setback. Germany had the clinic for medical research into trans people at the time. The earliest Nazi book burnings were against them. It took 60 years to get back a lot of what had been built.
Nor did other sexual minorities get any favors after the war.
I mean there were other genocides through history like the Natives in US. Victims don't usually get a nation.
Also if you were looking for a good parallelism between US and Nazi germany, here is where they put asylum-seeker immigrants from few months up to years.
I doubt, it's going to work the same, because trans folks can pretend to be the gender they were assigned at birth for a long time. They won't be happy and they might want to leave the country either way, but if they do so, they're less likely to bring along their whole family, since those won't be persecuted.
The holocaust absolutely facilitated the creation of Israel. The Balfour declaration and Theodor Herzl are necessary, but not sufficient. In the aftermath of WWII and the Shoah, there was a need for mass Jewish migration. Meanwhile, "good" countries like the US and UK had strict immigration policies explicitly to exclude Jews. A ship full of Jews fleeing the Nazis in '39 were rejected by the US, Canada, and the UK. Eventually they were returned to Germany. (the embarrassment of this episode is why countries are supposed to give shelter to anyone fleeing persecution until the matter is adjudicated) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
And that's the part of history that's left out. Western Europe and N America were happy to resettle the Jews, anywhere else. Support of Israel by the West cannot be understood without acknowledging the massive amount of antisemitism in basically all of Western Civilization.
There was already hundred thousands of jews migrating to palestine to force a state before the holocust. Read about the Aliyahs. The zionists militaries also was created before the holocust. I don't think that if the holocust didn't happen that the colonization project would have failed
I believe the point they're trying to make is that where the will to forge Israel came from the genocide of WWII, the idea for Israel and the Zionists pre-date WWII.
In 1917 belfour assured zionists that they will have their state. A state that couldn't been build without ethenic cleansing. It makes zero sense to compared israel which are presecuting palestinians to trans people who are getting persecuted.
alternatively, we hunt every single incel down Bin Laden style and shoot them with a dart containing the perfect mix of pregnancy hormones that turns her into a wet nurse milk vending machine
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MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 341d
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 341d
The nazis' definition of Jewish people had hardly anything to do with religion. They persecuted them based on lineage and pseudoscientific horseshit that was supposed to identify Jewish "genes"...
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 341d
Hitler didn't try to kill religions, he tried to kill ethnicities, LGBT+ people, political dissidents
yesman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
Yea, religion is made up and should be ignored. Just like currency, boarders, sovereignty, human rights, the concept of law, literature, art, and language itself. Brilliant.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 341d
Transsylvania? /s
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 341d
Probably rebuilding after a setback. Germany had the clinic for medical research into trans people at the time. The earliest Nazi book burnings were against them. It took 60 years to get back a lot of what had been built.
Nor did other sexual minorities get any favors after the war.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 341d
I mean there were other genocides through history like the Natives in US. Victims don't usually get a nation.
Also if you were looking for a good parallelism between US and Nazi germany, here is where they put asylum-seeker immigrants from few months up to years.
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 341d
I doubt, it's going to work the same, because trans folks can pretend to be the gender they were assigned at birth for a long time. They won't be happy and they might want to leave the country either way, but if they do so, they're less likely to bring along their whole family, since those won't be persecuted.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
Yeaaaah I'm gonna have to correct you there bub. That's gonna vary a LOT person to person
radiouser@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 341d
Tisrael
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 340d
mrdown@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 341d
In 1917 there was no holocust. The zionism was always about supermacy
yesman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 341d
The holocaust absolutely facilitated the creation of Israel. The Balfour declaration and Theodor Herzl are necessary, but not sufficient. In the aftermath of WWII and the Shoah, there was a need for mass Jewish migration. Meanwhile, "good" countries like the US and UK had strict immigration policies explicitly to exclude Jews. A ship full of Jews fleeing the Nazis in '39 were rejected by the US, Canada, and the UK. Eventually they were returned to Germany. (the embarrassment of this episode is why countries are supposed to give shelter to anyone fleeing persecution until the matter is adjudicated) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
And that's the part of history that's left out. Western Europe and N America were happy to resettle the Jews, anywhere else. Support of Israel by the West cannot be understood without acknowledging the massive amount of antisemitism in basically all of Western Civilization.
mrdown@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 341d
There was already hundred thousands of jews migrating to palestine to force a state before the holocust. Read about the Aliyahs. The zionists militaries also was created before the holocust. I don't think that if the holocust didn't happen that the colonization project would have failed
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 341d
what does the revolution have to do with Zionism? that's not when the Zionist project started
mrdown@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
Hitler's genocide is not the reason why Israel was created. In the early 1900's zionists already was working on forcing a state on the local people
There is zero similarity between the zionists and the presecuted trans people
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 341d
again, what does any of that have to do with 1917? I'm confused
roofuskit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 341d
I believe the point they're trying to make is that where the will to forge Israel came from the genocide of WWII, the idea for Israel and the Zionists pre-date WWII.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
In 1917 belfour assured zionists that they will have their state. A state that couldn't been build without ethenic cleansing. It makes zero sense to compared israel which are presecuting palestinians to trans people who are getting persecuted.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 341d
got it, I didn't realize the Russian revolution and the Balfour declaration happened in the same year
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -7 pts · 341d
an Amazon commune in which every single annoying cis dude is forcefemmed and made to read feminist books till the end of time
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 341d
alternatively, we hunt every single incel down Bin Laden style and shoot them with a dart containing the perfect mix of pregnancy hormones that turns her into a wet nurse milk vending machine