‘The most violent attack ever documented’: Five female bonobos kill a male, challenging beliefs about the species’ peaceful nature
https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2025-10-22/the-most-violent-attack-ever-documented-five-female-bonobos-kill-a-male-challenging-beliefs-about-the-species-peaceful-nature.html
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hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone · 142 pts · 299d
This headline is wild. It's basically the biology news equivalent to "so much for the tolerant left". Bonobo society is peaceful because they stand up for their young rather than just allowing infanticide from males. Their relative peace compared to their male-dominated cousins is a result of actively refusing to tolerate that sort of violence among their own groups.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 79 pts · 299d
You’re 100% correct.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 299d
Together ape strong?
scarabic@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 299d
There’s a full-court press to discredit empathy as an ethos. So much so that even casual blogs and news outlets that don’t even have a horse in the race will still entertain the topic because it gets them the clicks.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 299d
I smiled at every charlie kirk lowered flag and gathering as it was like pissing all over him and everything he believed in. I wanted to join in and add my empathy to what happened to him and the situation of his family.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 299d
The others aren't crazy violent either...
Silverbacks don't select leaders based on aggression, the tribe picks based on compassion then sheer strength/aggression.
Chimps aren't bloodthirsty murderers either. Most of their violence is one group against another.
Like, you've missed the entire point of this:
That all primates are more similar than common perception.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 298d
Including human.
TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 299d
I would love to see an article about bobobos titled "So Much For the Tolerant Left!"
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 299d
Did you already see the one about the ant leaving?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/225/827/bc2.jpg
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
Tomorrow, on Fark ...
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 299d
This is what "alpha male" humans don't understand:
One "alpha male" may be stronger than any female, but almost no one is stronger than 5+ individuals working together.
They all dream of being able to impose their will on women, and never think about how that'll end up. Which is with a group of individuals banding together against the "alpha male", biting his testicles off, and then engaging in "genital to genital rubbing" on top of his unconscious soon to be corpse.
Every society is built on the threat of violence if you don't follow social norms. There's no inherently peaceful primate society, just some that don't need to routinely follow thru to enforce their social norms.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 299d
snooggums@piefed.world · 9 pts · 299d
Since humans are primates this checks out.
its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 299d
My first reaction to the headline was "what did he do?" Heh
tomiant@piefed.social · 26 pts · 299d
I'm not saying it was right, I am saying there was a reason.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 299d
Sounds premeditated & thought through - peaceful species when decided an individual can't be part of the group or is a threat, and they don't have other options (controlling them, sending them away), killing is the means to keep peace. It's a matter of order (anarchic, or fascist), not random violent tendencies for the fun of it.
(And it doesn't seem like it was to take power.)
dellish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
Sure, but what was he wearing?
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 287d
Probably an overbearing fucking attitude.
crandlecan@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 299d
Without illegal cookie wall: https://archive.is/FyDDr
venusaur@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d
When did we believe apes don’t kill each other? Unless this is happening all the time, it’s nothing new.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 299d
I think there is a common thought that Bonobos overall are more peaceful than other primates, not that violence didn't exist at all.
venusaur@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d
Probably because of the butt sex
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 298d
20cello@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 299d
Bonobo Shore