Yes, I'm sure the decline and fall of the Empire led to a much better situation for ordinary people and a blossoming of civilized arts. After all, it was an empire! The magic word makes it void of redeeming features, unlike such holsum words as 'Kingdom' or 'League'.
So do the Japanese nowadays, but I don't think the fall of the Empire was really relevant to that.
The decline and fall of the Empire set back European civilization hundreds of years. The subsequent period was one of recovery from a significant loss, not an improvement over what preceded it. Only afterhundreds of years of recovery, arguably over a thousand, did conditions for Italians improve from what they were during the height of the Empire.
Unfortunately, I've seen far too many serious "The fall of the Roman Empire improved quality of life because it was an empire and therefore bad" arguments.
though The Roman empire was great for its upper class,. the average person quality of life wasn’t that great.
The average person's quality of life wasn't that great after either; and, for that matter, became considerably worse following the Empire's fall.
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DonEladio@feddit.org · 12 pts · 275d
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 275d
Roma aeterna! Our tears are the price we pay for keeping the dream alive.
Aielman15@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 275d
This is me with Byzantium :(
shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 274d
Hegar@fedia.io · 5 pts · 274d
No-one who's studied empire could mourn its passing.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 5 pts · 274d
Yes, I'm sure the decline and fall of the Empire led to a much better situation for ordinary people and a blossoming of civilized arts. After all, it was an empire! The magic word makes it void of redeeming features, unlike such holsum words as 'Kingdom' or 'League'.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 274d
I think Italians have better healthcare and quality of life now, so, yes?
PugJesus@piefed.social · 4 pts · 274d
So do the Japanese nowadays, but I don't think the fall of the Empire was really relevant to that.
The decline and fall of the Empire set back European civilization hundreds of years. The subsequent period was one of recovery from a significant loss, not an improvement over what preceded it. Only after hundreds of years of recovery, arguably over a thousand, did conditions for Italians improve from what they were during the height of the Empire.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 274d
thought it was obvious a non serious answer.
though The Roman empire was great for its upper class,. the average person quality of life wasn't that great.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 4 pts · 274d
Unfortunately, I've seen far too many serious "The fall of the Roman Empire improved quality of life because it was an empire and therefore bad" arguments.
The average person's quality of life wasn't that great after either; and, for that matter, became considerably worse following the Empire's fall.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 274d
personally, I don't feel that bad for an empire that went around enslaving every territory it conquered until it ended up destroying it's own economy.
and please don't reply with "every empire did that". because they weren't really invading competing empires but populated regions in their way.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 1 pts · 274d
what.
... what do you think the peoples whom the Roman conquered did to each other? Or to the Romans themselves, for that matter?
Do I have to launch into a lecture on Celtic and Germanic endemic warfare?
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 275d
Don't worry little guy .... enjoy the current empire as much as you can because its on the verge of falling right now.
Greddan@feddit.org · 3 pts · 274d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
verge? it's been going downhill for a while already.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 3 pts · 275d
too soon
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 274d