Another angle of this modern art installation

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idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works · 148 pts · 262d (2 replies)

This is one of the most complex levels

FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 262d

As soon as I saw the image this is exactly what I started doing in my head.

Aneb@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d

I finished this in 8 moves? Not that hard

Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 57 pts · 262d (7 replies)

Factorio players had this solved forever ago

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 262d (2 replies)

No they don't. They still have nightmare of item contamination.

JelleWho@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 262d (1 reply)

Should have used filters...

ragas@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 262d

Usa a semaphore.

Lemminary@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 262d (1 reply)

Tbf, they also have the arthropod invasion sorted out.

BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 261d

And now pentapods too

StuffYouFear@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d (1 reply)

I did, then spaceage broke all my old intersection templates

Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 260d

Yeah, I'm still a bit irked about that. But the new system is good at least.

MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 262d (7 replies)

I'm sorry, but this looked super easy to un fuck. The bottom driver just had to pull forward a bit and to the right, enough for the guy on the right to get through. I don't think they were "stuck" so much as this was a cool photo with a click baity title.

agavaa@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 262d (2 replies)

They were stuck for 10 minutes and needed to be directed from the outside. It's maybe not that long, but they struggled with figuring it out. Source (in Norwegian, this happened in Oslo): https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/3pkoP9/busser-fast-paa-alexander-kiellands-plass-i-oslo

vodka@feddit.org · 16 pts · 262d (1 reply)

Guy that went and directed them said they were stuck for a total of 3 minutes.

agavaa@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d

It took him 3 minutes to direct them start to finish, but they were stuck for total of 10 minutes. He didn't start directing them the second they were stuck.

stepan@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 262d

there are probably cars there facing the bottom bus, no? it's the enter lane, not an exit lane

dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d

It is, but none of the four bus drivers have all of the information. You will also need two or three cops or at least guys in fluorescent vests to physically block traffic from entering the circle and or bitch-slap selfish asshats as necessary until the Gordian knot of buses is untied, otherwise said selfish asshats will try to barge into the intersection the second the first bus moves and start everything all over again.

PunnyName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 262d (1 reply)

Also, fewer cars will help.

kossa@feddit.org · 3 pts · 261d

No, it's clearly the fault of the buses. So defunding public transport it is!

- every politician probably

jqubed@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 262d (9 replies)

I’m very curious about who screwed up first

papalonian@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 262d (2 replies)

I think it was a combined, synchronized effort

kubica@fedia.io · 36 pts · 262d

Apes together stuck.

ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 262d

Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 262d

Bus on left hand side of screen sealed the deal, but it was a concerted effort of fuckery

marcos@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 262d

Each one of them screwed up independently. It takes a concerted effort to reach this situation.

Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 262d

I don’t know what’s going on in this picture, but, whatever it is, being accidental is last on my list of possible explanations

olafurp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 262d

It's a deadlock situation and can arise without any screw ups. Imagine the buses being 5x as long and all reach the intersection at the same time as an example. All have space to enter the roundabout but they'll reach the same situation as in the picture.

To fix this people uses signals and can be done by having the buses follow "Only 1 or 2 articulated (double) buses are allowed into the roundabout at a time". A rule like that might be required if you have a lot of articulated buses. The risk of this happening depends on how many ways you can enter a roundabout no a bus like that, how long the buses are, how frequently they run and how big the roundabout is.

Johanno@feddit.org · 4 pts · 262d

In my opinion the stupid bus that entered the round about when already 3 buses where in there.

I mean get that there was space, but man you could have waited 20 seconds and everything would have been fine.

Griffus@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 262d

1 of 2. Either the car drivers going on the inside of the busses, hindering them enough space to make the turns, or the bus drivers allowing it to happen.

Asinus@feddit.org · 26 pts · 262d (2 replies)

I like that there is already an idiot on the top-left road who passed the whole trafficjam on the wrong side of the road (because "I am special") and is now also stuck there because there was a reason for everybody to not move foreward

Agent641@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d (1 reply)

Kinda looks like a cop to me

Asinus@feddit.org · 3 pts · 262d

Might be. I don't remember seeing any police when I was in Norway, but the internet-pictures kindof match.

eta@feddit.org · 17 pts · 262d (4 replies)

I still get nightmares from thinking that placing a nice roundabout in Cities Skylines will improve my traffic only to come back later to see a huge traffic jam because the cars are blocking each other.

mirshafie@europe.pub · 18 pts · 262d (3 replies)

Honestly I've never heard about a roundabout traffic jam before seeing the picture of the Norwegian four-way bus lock a couple of days ago, followed by this example right here.

I think Cities Skylines is either badly programmed or propaganda for Big Intersection.

Johanno@feddit.org · 6 pts · 262d

Yes

zqps@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 260d

It's not. Roundabouts work better than intersections.

The whole game can even be read as propaganda against car-centric traffic management, because road planning just becomes a nightmare at some point that incentivizes you heavily to diversify into public transportation and even walkable city blocks.

tehevilone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 262d

Basegame CS's traffic system is notably bad - if you wanted anything realistic you needed mods to change it. No clue how CS2's plays, but I can't imagine it'd be much better.

kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 262d (10 replies)
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ryannathans@aussie.zone · 30 pts · 262d (7 replies)

Buses stuck

kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 262d (6 replies)
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somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 262d (5 replies)

bus #1 needs to move so bus #2 can move
bus #2 needs to move so bus #3 can move
bus #3 needs to move so bus #4 can move
bus #4 needs to move so bus #1 can move

i n f i n i t e l o o p

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 262d (1 reply)

It we’re forcing a programming analogy, I’d go with deadlock over loop.

ryannathans@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 262d

Spinlock even

kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 262d (2 replies)
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TeddE@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 262d (1 reply)

To clarify: this is not intentional art. This is an engineering edge case turned real by bad luck.

Normally 3 buses can use around-about without issue, and there's plenty of 4 bus patterns that could use the intersection without creating a knot, so bus drivers probably aclimate to having another bus or two in the loop, but this just happened to have the bad luck needed to create the knot.

(And OP is calling it an art installation tongue in cheek because it's not going anywhere for a while)

kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 262d
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falseWhite@programming.dev · 5 pts · 262d
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UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 262d

Step bus, what are you doing!??

Almacca@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 262d

Red ring of death.

BilboTBaggin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d

This is what my trains in satisfactory do :,)

Siegfried@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 262d

When your factorio base logistics collapse and you have to manually unfuck the train system

NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 262d

It does not look like any bus screwed up to me. It looks scary ya I agree, but I'm sure watching this play out was very mundane and efficient.

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 262d

Solution: goatse roundabout

Griffus@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 262d

Alexander Kiellands Plass will never not be a traffic nightmare.

ArfArfWoof@feddit.org · 1 pts · 262d

We do a little trollino-ing.

Swordinferno@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 262d

Jacques Tati did it better

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d (1 reply)

That is what, six years old?

ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net · 4 pts · 261d

happened again

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 262d (10 replies)

Do not enter the intersection unless the exit is clear.

falseWhite@programming.dev · 20 pts · 262d (5 replies)
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Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 262d (4 replies)

The same rules apply to a roundabout where I live, if the exit isn't clear, you don't enter.

People do it all the time and block the roundabout, but you're not supposed to.

theneverfox@pawb.social · 5 pts · 261d

Are you sure you're not talking about a traffic circle?

Roundabouts have specific rules, not every circular intersection is a roundabout

falseWhite@programming.dev · 4 pts · 262d (2 replies)
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Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 261d (1 reply)

You do understand that a roundabout is an intersection, right?

falseWhite@programming.dev · 3 pts · 260d
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vodka@feddit.org · 7 pts · 262d (3 replies)

If all four arrived and entered at the exact same time, the exit might have been clear for all four.

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 262d (2 replies)

Possibly, but I think they all thought they could fit through.

vodka@feddit.org · 3 pts · 262d (1 reply)

It's also the second time it's happened in this roundabout in a few months lol

BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 261d

Maybe they could simply délay one of them by a minute to prevent them arriving at the same time, just change the time planning

Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 262d
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NullPointerException@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 262d
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Lootboblin@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 262d (3 replies)
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Iseja@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 262d (2 replies)

Why though? If you zoom in you can see that they're literally filled with people and allow easier/quicker stops as they have many doors. If you actually plan their routes they work quite well.

mirshafie@europe.pub · 6 pts · 262d (1 reply)

This can be fixed by the drivers paying extra attention in front of them when entering a roundabout.

When you enter a roundabout you need to be clear from the left, that's normally all you need to worry about. In this case because the buses are so long, the bus that locks them is in front of them when they enter, and there's another bus to the right. This should be clearly visible.

victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 262d

Definitely bus drivers' error. They are the big vehicles, they are the ones who need to pay extra attention to whether or not they will fit anywhere.