I'm sorry, but this looked super easy to un fuck. The bottom driver just had to pull forward a bit and to the right, enough for the guy on the right to get through. I don't think they were "stuck" so much as this was a cool photo with a click baity title.
It took him 3 minutes to direct them start to finish, but they were stuck for total of 10 minutes. He didn't start directing them the second they were stuck.
It is, but none of the four bus drivers have all of the information. You will also need two or three cops or at least guys in fluorescent vests to physically block traffic from entering the circle and or bitch-slap selfish asshats as necessary until the Gordian knot of buses is untied, otherwise said selfish asshats will try to barge into the intersection the second the first bus moves and start everything all over again.
It's a deadlock situation and can arise without any screw ups. Imagine the buses being 5x as long and all reach the intersection at the same time as an example. All have space to enter the roundabout but they'll reach the same situation as in the picture.
To fix this people uses signals and can be done by having the buses follow "Only 1 or 2 articulated (double) buses are allowed into the roundabout at a time". A rule like that might be required if you have a lot of articulated buses. The risk of this happening depends on how many ways you can enter a roundabout no a bus like that, how long the buses are, how frequently they run and how big the roundabout is.
1 of 2. Either the car drivers going on the inside of the busses, hindering them enough space to make the turns, or the bus drivers allowing it to happen.
I like that there is already an idiot on the top-left road who passed the whole trafficjam on the wrong side of the road (because "I am special") and is now also stuck there because there was a reason for everybody to not move foreward
I still get nightmares from thinking that placing a nice roundabout in Cities Skylines will improve my traffic only to come back later to see a huge traffic jam because the cars are blocking each other.
Honestly I've never heard about a roundabout traffic jam before seeing the picture of the Norwegian four-way bus lock a couple of days ago, followed by this example right here.
I think Cities Skylines is either badly programmed or propaganda for Big Intersection.
It's not. Roundabouts work better than intersections.
The whole game can even be read as propaganda against car-centric traffic management, because road planning just becomes a nightmare at some point that incentivizes you heavily to diversify into public transportation and even walkable city blocks.
Basegame CS's traffic system is notably bad - if you wanted anything realistic you needed mods to change it. No clue how CS2's plays, but I can't imagine it'd be much better.
bus #1 needs to move so bus #2 can move
bus #2 needs to move so bus #3 can move
bus #3 needs to move so bus #4 can move
bus #4 needs to move so bus #1 can move
To clarify: this is not intentional art. This is an engineering edge case turned real by bad luck.
Normally 3 buses can use around-about without issue, and there's plenty of 4 bus patterns that could use the intersection without creating a knot, so bus drivers probably aclimate to having another bus or two in the loop, but this just happened to have the bad luck needed to create the knot.
(And OP is calling it an art installation tongue in cheek because it's not going anywhere for a while)
Why though? If you zoom in you can see that they're literally filled with people and allow easier/quicker stops as they have many doors. If you actually plan their routes they work quite well.
This can be fixed by the drivers paying extra attention in front of them when entering a roundabout.
When you enter a roundabout you need to be clear from the left, that's normally all you need to worry about. In this case because the buses are so long, the bus that locks them is in front of them when they enter, and there's another bus to the right. This should be clearly visible.
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idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works · 148 pts · 262d
This is one of the most complex levels
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 262d
As soon as I saw the image this is exactly what I started doing in my head.
Aneb@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d
I finished this in 8 moves? Not that hard
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 57 pts · 262d
Factorio players had this solved forever ago
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 262d
No they don't. They still have nightmare of item contamination.
JelleWho@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 262d
Should have used filters...
ragas@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 262d
Usa a semaphore.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 262d
Tbf, they also have the arthropod invasion sorted out.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 261d
And now pentapods too
StuffYouFear@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d
I did, then spaceage broke all my old intersection templates
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 260d
Yeah, I'm still a bit irked about that. But the new system is good at least.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 262d
I'm sorry, but this looked super easy to un fuck. The bottom driver just had to pull forward a bit and to the right, enough for the guy on the right to get through. I don't think they were "stuck" so much as this was a cool photo with a click baity title.
agavaa@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 262d
They were stuck for 10 minutes and needed to be directed from the outside. It's maybe not that long, but they struggled with figuring it out. Source (in Norwegian, this happened in Oslo): https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/3pkoP9/busser-fast-paa-alexander-kiellands-plass-i-oslo
vodka@feddit.org · 16 pts · 262d
Guy that went and directed them said they were stuck for a total of 3 minutes.
agavaa@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d
It took him 3 minutes to direct them start to finish, but they were stuck for total of 10 minutes. He didn't start directing them the second they were stuck.
stepan@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 262d
there are probably cars there facing the bottom bus, no? it's the enter lane, not an exit lane
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
It is, but none of the four bus drivers have all of the information. You will also need two or three cops or at least guys in fluorescent vests to physically block traffic from entering the circle and or bitch-slap selfish asshats as necessary until the Gordian knot of buses is untied, otherwise said selfish asshats will try to barge into the intersection the second the first bus moves and start everything all over again.
PunnyName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 262d
Also, fewer cars will help.
kossa@feddit.org · 3 pts · 261d
No, it's clearly the fault of the buses. So defunding public transport it is!
- every politician probably
jqubed@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 262d
I’m very curious about who screwed up first
papalonian@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 262d
I think it was a combined, synchronized effort
kubica@fedia.io · 36 pts · 262d
Apes together stuck.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 262d
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 262d
Bus on left hand side of screen sealed the deal, but it was a concerted effort of fuckery
marcos@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 262d
Each one of them screwed up independently. It takes a concerted effort to reach this situation.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 262d
I don’t know what’s going on in this picture, but, whatever it is, being accidental is last on my list of possible explanations
olafurp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 262d
It's a deadlock situation and can arise without any screw ups. Imagine the buses being 5x as long and all reach the intersection at the same time as an example. All have space to enter the roundabout but they'll reach the same situation as in the picture.
To fix this people uses signals and can be done by having the buses follow "Only 1 or 2 articulated (double) buses are allowed into the roundabout at a time". A rule like that might be required if you have a lot of articulated buses. The risk of this happening depends on how many ways you can enter a roundabout no a bus like that, how long the buses are, how frequently they run and how big the roundabout is.
Johanno@feddit.org · 4 pts · 262d
In my opinion the stupid bus that entered the round about when already 3 buses where in there.
I mean get that there was space, but man you could have waited 20 seconds and everything would have been fine.
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 262d
1 of 2. Either the car drivers going on the inside of the busses, hindering them enough space to make the turns, or the bus drivers allowing it to happen.
Asinus@feddit.org · 26 pts · 262d
I like that there is already an idiot on the top-left road who passed the whole trafficjam on the wrong side of the road (because "I am special") and is now also stuck there because there was a reason for everybody to not move foreward
Agent641@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d
Kinda looks like a cop to me
Asinus@feddit.org · 3 pts · 262d
Might be. I don't remember seeing any police when I was in Norway, but the internet-pictures kindof match.
eta@feddit.org · 17 pts · 262d
I still get nightmares from thinking that placing a nice roundabout in Cities Skylines will improve my traffic only to come back later to see a huge traffic jam because the cars are blocking each other.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 18 pts · 262d
Honestly I've never heard about a roundabout traffic jam before seeing the picture of the Norwegian four-way bus lock a couple of days ago, followed by this example right here.
I think Cities Skylines is either badly programmed or propaganda for Big Intersection.
Johanno@feddit.org · 6 pts · 262d
Yes
zqps@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 260d
It's not. Roundabouts work better than intersections.
The whole game can even be read as propaganda against car-centric traffic management, because road planning just becomes a nightmare at some point that incentivizes you heavily to diversify into public transportation and even walkable city blocks.
tehevilone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 262d
Basegame CS's traffic system is notably bad - if you wanted anything realistic you needed mods to change it. No clue how CS2's plays, but I can't imagine it'd be much better.
kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 262d
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 30 pts · 262d
Buses stuck
kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 262d
somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 262d
bus #1 needs to move so bus #2 can move
bus #2 needs to move so bus #3 can move
bus #3 needs to move so bus #4 can move
bus #4 needs to move so bus #1 can move
i n f i n i t e l o o p
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 262d
It we’re forcing a programming analogy, I’d go with deadlock over loop.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 262d
Spinlock even
kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 262d
TeddE@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 262d
To clarify: this is not intentional art. This is an engineering edge case turned real by bad luck.
Normally 3 buses can use around-about without issue, and there's plenty of 4 bus patterns that could use the intersection without creating a knot, so bus drivers probably aclimate to having another bus or two in the loop, but this just happened to have the bad luck needed to create the knot.
(And OP is calling it an art installation tongue in cheek because it's not going anywhere for a while)
kelpie_returns@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 262d
falseWhite@programming.dev · 5 pts · 262d
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 262d
Step bus, what are you doing!??
Almacca@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 262d
Red ring of death.
BilboTBaggin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d
This is what my trains in satisfactory do :,)
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 262d
When your factorio base logistics collapse and you have to manually unfuck the train system
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 262d
It does not look like any bus screwed up to me. It looks scary ya I agree, but I'm sure watching this play out was very mundane and efficient.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 262d
Solution: goatse roundabout
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 262d
Alexander Kiellands Plass will never not be a traffic nightmare.
ArfArfWoof@feddit.org · 1 pts · 262d
We do a little trollino-ing.
Swordinferno@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 262d
Jacques Tati did it better
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
That is what, six years old?
ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net · 4 pts · 261d
happened again
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 262d
Do not enter the intersection unless the exit is clear.
falseWhite@programming.dev · 20 pts · 262d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 262d
The same rules apply to a roundabout where I live, if the exit isn't clear, you don't enter.
People do it all the time and block the roundabout, but you're not supposed to.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 5 pts · 261d
Are you sure you're not talking about a traffic circle?
Roundabouts have specific rules, not every circular intersection is a roundabout
falseWhite@programming.dev · 4 pts · 262d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 261d
You do understand that a roundabout is an intersection, right?
falseWhite@programming.dev · 3 pts · 260d
vodka@feddit.org · 7 pts · 262d
If all four arrived and entered at the exact same time, the exit might have been clear for all four.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 262d
Possibly, but I think they all thought they could fit through.
vodka@feddit.org · 3 pts · 262d
It's also the second time it's happened in this roundabout in a few months lol
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 261d
Maybe they could simply délay one of them by a minute to prevent them arriving at the same time, just change the time planning
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 262d
NullPointerException@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 262d
Lootboblin@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 262d
Iseja@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 262d
Why though? If you zoom in you can see that they're literally filled with people and allow easier/quicker stops as they have many doors. If you actually plan their routes they work quite well.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 6 pts · 262d
This can be fixed by the drivers paying extra attention in front of them when entering a roundabout.
When you enter a roundabout you need to be clear from the left, that's normally all you need to worry about. In this case because the buses are so long, the bus that locks them is in front of them when they enter, and there's another bus to the right. This should be clearly visible.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 262d
Definitely bus drivers' error. They are the big vehicles, they are the ones who need to pay extra attention to whether or not they will fit anywhere.