Well if we're not going to bother helping them win, then yeah, I guess they should surrender for now until Russia's recovered enough that they can finish the job.
Fuck Ukraine, not our problem, there's nothing we can do anyway and none of this is ever going to affect any of us. /s
Well if we’re not going to bother helping them win
We've been happy to lard them up with debt and sell them overpriced military surplus. Idk if that counts as "helping them win" but we've made a handsome profit off it.
Fuck Ukraine, not our problem
Hey now. Don't look at Ukraine as a problem. Look at Ukraine as a big play for recently vacated real estate. Jared Kushner is going to make so much fucking money leasing Ukraine's land back to its residents.
Fair point, but really, I don't know why they can't single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers, with strings attached telling how they're allowed and not allowed to use them. Are they even trying? /s
I don’t know why they can’t single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers
I mean, ask Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea.
But also ask why these wars popped off to begin with and why they dragged on long after any foreign country had a material interest in continuing the fight.
Also maybe look into the UON and question why the Canadian Parliament was applauding an elderly SS Officer who described WW2 as the best years of his life.
Ukraine did nothing wrong. Why should they make concession for a failed imperialist like Putin who wants to genocide them to fulfill his delusions? Fuck him, fuck Russia, and fuck anyone who supports them. Ukraine needs to be supported and provided as much as they ask for and need.
Imagine being so stupid that you're unironically defending an actual Nazi like Putin and blaming the victims he's trying to genocide for defending themselves against he's illegal invasion. It's like illegal for you trolls to apply any sort of critical thinking.
It's their decision of course. I hate to see them lose, and I hate that my country isn't doing more. We made a damn promise, and when it came time to make good, we half-assed it. Not enough oil I guess. But I also don't want to see Russia bully their way to more territory either, as that just shows the world that they are still a threat, and leads to another round of russian fear for the world.
The world doesn't fear Russia, though, the world fears the west. It's the west that fears Russia, and is harvesting Ukraine for resources and racking them up with debt for hand-me-down surplus to support the far-right Banderites in Kiev ethnic cleansing the Donbass region. The Ukrainian people increasingly want peace over war, not to fight to the last Ukrainian, it's the Banderites that want to sacrifice Ukrainain people while they hide from the frontlines.
How about everyone respect the land they've had for decades and stop trying to rekindle colonialism? We're talking about Russia and Ukraine and you're bringing in other entities into the discussion? Try keeping the train on the tracks. Russia already took over Georgia and Crimea in the past 20 years, just a slow progression to reacquire the good ole Soviet Union. If countries really wanna get the band back together, they'd do so with votes or formal agreements. When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.
So, I keep mentioning just Russia and Ukraine, no one else, but you keep throwing in other examples. Ummm, you're saying DDay was the same as Russia invading Ukraine? Seems France wasn't operating at that time as an autonomous power. Seems they were in fact occupied at that time by another country... now if Poland had invaded Ukraine and Ukraine needed saving from them, you might have a point and Russia might be seen as a rescuing force, but that's not what happened is it? Once again, you went off track and I was fool enough to follow. Smh.
Ignoring how you can consider being against nazis to be "in the wrong", Russia doesn't have to make painful concessions because they are not losing the war. That's how war works.
Ukraine is bravely defending against Putin and his Nazi government. Blaming the victims for defending themselves just shows that you're a product of propaganda
32 Comments
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 274d
Oh boy, strap in. Can't wait to hear how many keyboard commandos think Ukrainians should get shoved into the meat grinder for another year.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 274d
Well if we're not going to bother helping them win, then yeah, I guess they should surrender for now until Russia's recovered enough that they can finish the job.
Fuck Ukraine, not our problem, there's nothing we can do anyway and none of this is ever going to affect any of us. /s
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 274d
We've been happy to lard them up with debt and sell them overpriced military surplus. Idk if that counts as "helping them win" but we've made a handsome profit off it.
Hey now. Don't look at Ukraine as a problem. Look at Ukraine as a big play for recently vacated real estate. Jared Kushner is going to make so much fucking money leasing Ukraine's land back to its residents.
Now Ukrainians? They're going to get fucked.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 274d
Fair point, but really, I don't know why they can't single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers, with strings attached telling how they're allowed and not allowed to use them. Are they even trying? /s
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 274d
I mean, ask Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea.
But also ask why these wars popped off to begin with and why they dragged on long after any foreign country had a material interest in continuing the fight.
Also maybe look into the UON and question why the Canadian Parliament was applauding an elderly SS Officer who described WW2 as the best years of his life.
Tons of profit in war mongering.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 273d
Ukraine did nothing wrong. Why should they make concession for a failed imperialist like Putin who wants to genocide them to fulfill his delusions? Fuck him, fuck Russia, and fuck anyone who supports them. Ukraine needs to be supported and provided as much as they ask for and need.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 273d
~ Yaroslav Hunka
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 273d
Imagine being so stupid that you're unironically defending an actual Nazi like Putin and blaming the victims he's trying to genocide for defending themselves against he's illegal invasion. It's like illegal for you trolls to apply any sort of critical thinking.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
It's their decision of course. I hate to see them lose, and I hate that my country isn't doing more. We made a damn promise, and when it came time to make good, we half-assed it. Not enough oil I guess. But I also don't want to see Russia bully their way to more territory either, as that just shows the world that they are still a threat, and leads to another round of russian fear for the world.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 274d
The world doesn't fear Russia, though, the world fears the west. It's the west that fears Russia, and is harvesting Ukraine for resources and racking them up with debt for hand-me-down surplus to support the far-right Banderites in Kiev ethnic cleansing the Donbass region. The Ukrainian people increasingly want peace over war, not to fight to the last Ukrainian, it's the Banderites that want to sacrifice Ukrainain people while they hide from the frontlines.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 273d
Yeah, only NATO and Israel should be allowed to bully their way into territory.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 273d
How about everyone respect the land they've had for decades and stop trying to rekindle colonialism? We're talking about Russia and Ukraine and you're bringing in other entities into the discussion? Try keeping the train on the tracks. Russia already took over Georgia and Crimea in the past 20 years, just a slow progression to reacquire the good ole Soviet Union. If countries really wanna get the band back together, they'd do so with votes or formal agreements. When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 273d
No mate, that was you.
Yeah? Really?
"No investigation, no write to speak" really should be enforced policy.
Donbas and Crimea tried, Ukraine forbid it.
Local liberal condemns D-Day landings.
unphazed@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 273d
So, I keep mentioning just Russia and Ukraine, no one else, but you keep throwing in other examples. Ummm, you're saying DDay was the same as Russia invading Ukraine? Seems France wasn't operating at that time as an autonomous power. Seems they were in fact occupied at that time by another country... now if Poland had invaded Ukraine and Ukraine needed saving from them, you might have a point and Russia might be seen as a rescuing force, but that's not what happened is it? Once again, you went off track and I was fool enough to follow. Smh.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 273d
Well that's just straight up false:
You said:
Unlike Donbas and Crimea....
Local liberal furious that someone actually responded to the words that they wrote.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 10 pts · 274d
Is Germany accepting reality?
hobata@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 274d
Danke Merkel!
cv_octavio@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 274d
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 272d
The country that loses a war is the one that is forced to make concessions. Right and wrong have nothing to do with it.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 273d
Questions asked by a twelve year old
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 273d
Ignoring how you can consider being against nazis to be "in the wrong", Russia doesn't have to make painful concessions because they are not losing the war. That's how war works.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 273d
Ukraine is bravely defending against Putin and his Nazi government. Blaming the victims for defending themselves just shows that you're a product of propaganda
NimdaQA@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 273d
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 273d
Ukraine is the one fighting the Nazis, not the other way around moron
jankforlife@lemmy.ml · -10 pts · 273d
In the wrong to topple an illegitimate empire-propped Nazi government?
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 273d
Imagine describing Russia word for word and then being dumb enough to call the democratic government Ukraine that. The idiocy of ML knows no bounds
thorhop@sopuli.xyz · -3 pts · 273d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 273d
No argument that Ukraine isn't run by nazis, just immediate childish defensiveness. That's how you know you're on the right side
You are a nazi supporter. Allow this fact to permeate your awareness
ubik@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 274d
Why is it that I only see this news story on Russia-affiliated sites? Strange.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 274d
German officials hint that Ukraine may face "painful concessions" ending in referendum
Before any lib confusion, pravda.com.ua is the Ukrayinska Pravda, a Ukrainian online newspaper.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 273d
Because this instance is run by the most brain dead tankies on the internet. They'll uncritically consume Russian propaganda and blindly believe it
jankforlife@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 273d
Empire media suppression
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
hobata@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 274d
Damn, as if Walter White's opinion from Comic-Con matters.
NimdaQA@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 273d
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 273d
Imagine being dumb enough to unironically believe Russian propaganda
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 273d
They hated him because he told them the truth
NimdaQA@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 273d