Yeah, I'm guessing we will never see any Faux segments on how that one farmer saved up some of his handout and {shock, horror!} used it to {clutches pearls} buy steak. And {collapses on fainting couch} LOBSTER!
It is so weird to me how the people that supposedly loooove the "free market" lose their minds the minute they see someone select their own food when given food benefits? The same people that fall all over themselves worshipping utter slime like Donvict just because he happens to be wealthy and think he should never have to face any consequences want to police the nutritional intake of the very poorest people...
Meth would probably be less popular in rural communities if we stopped farmer subsidies. There's no data to show that, but let's assume and do it anyways just to make sure. Can't waste those tax dollars on drugs that don't make corporations money!
It's because they believe that money is a reflection of how good you are as a person. So if someone needs food benefits, then they are a shitty person, and should be punished for it.
I'm not so sure that's true. There is a shit load of land used to grow corn to make ethanol that's farmed by independent farmers. In the US most farmland is used for soy beans and corn for livestock feed or fuel. It wouldn't be a simple or cheap undertaking, but that last could be utilized more efficiently to directly or indirectly fees people.
I would also bet there are enough people that would love to be farmers that can't because land isn't available or cheap that would step up if large farm operations were broken up. That's pure speculation, but even if one mega farm were split 4 ways, that would still be an improvement to the current situation.
"What we're doing is we're taking a relatively small portion of that [money we made off tariffs], and we're going to be giving and providing it to the farmers in economic assistance.“
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know... morons.
Well, hopefully that's after the midterms and if they don't like it, well fuck it. Donvict won't care as long as he has a compliant Congress to kowtow to every bullshit decree he bleats out on his Xitter knockoff.
So, he's taking our money that we're forced to pay due to his stupid tariffs and is using some of it to payoff his supporters who he screwed over with those same tariffs. So, forcing everyone else to clean up his messes. Classic trump.
Well. Trump is using the income from the tariffs to pay the farmers. This is America first at its best. We, the people, pay the tariffs and then that money is used to pay the farmers. The farmers then sale their crops to major corporations. The major corporations the charge us more in the stores to cover the cost of the tariffs we, the people, have to pay. It’s brilliant!!!
I’m trying to figure out here how much farmland is actually owned by farming families and not corporate entities or corporations operating under the “family” banner while being owned by a family that owns shitloads of farms, but I can’t find an honest answer here and the definition of family seems fucking dubious everywhere I’ve looked.
From his own pocket right? Because his stupid decisions put them in that situation. I would like to see what percentage of money goes to small farms and what money goes to huge corporate farms.
boosting the farm safety net
Oh nice that they get one but no one fucking else does.
Of course, but from what I'm understanding these subsidies are going to the farmers who's soybeans weren't bought by China because of Trump's tariffs so they weren't domestic food to begin with. Now they will probably rot somewhere instead. Starvation never entered the picture, this is all about money. I'd love to own a farm, sure.
It's a shame their products aren't valued more, since they are the raw materials for so much including life. I still don't support bailing out farmers who voted for this. I guess I would rather bail out farmers than bankers or oil barons or ranchers, as if I have a choice. Anyways, we can't be sure this money is even going to the right people with this admin.
Last time I checked they aren't making any arguments unless they are sued.
Why Trump thinks he can spend any revenue without congressional permission is beyond me. It is clear his administration does not care for the rule of law. They are a criminal organization.
46 Comments
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 88 pts · 239d
What about work requirements? Drug testing? Can they use the money on soda and fast food?
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 239d
I frankly don't want my tax dollars going to "those people." Everybody knows they're just going to use it on Busch light and cigarettes.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 239d
Yeah, I'm guessing we will never see any Faux segments on how that one farmer saved up some of his handout and {shock, horror!} used it to {clutches pearls} buy steak. And {collapses on fainting couch} LOBSTER!
It is so weird to me how the people that supposedly loooove the "free market" lose their minds the minute they see someone select their own food when given food benefits? The same people that fall all over themselves worshipping utter slime like Donvict just because he happens to be wealthy and think he should never have to face any consequences want to police the nutritional intake of the very poorest people...
https://www.mediamatters.org/washington-post/ny-bill-barring-food-stamp-recipients-luxury-food-items-comes-straight-fox-news
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 6 pts · 238d
Meth would probably be less popular in rural communities if we stopped farmer subsidies. There's no data to show that, but let's assume and do it anyways just to make sure. Can't waste those tax dollars on drugs that don't make corporations money!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 238d
It's because they believe that money is a reflection of how good you are as a person. So if someone needs food benefits, then they are a shitty person, and should be punished for it.
TheCelticPirate@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 239d
Welfare queens.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 239d
True MAGA farmers should reject payouts from the government, because that's socialism and socialism is BaAaAaD
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org · 13 pts · 239d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 238d
Lol yeah right. Ayn fucking Rand didn't even walk the walk when it came down to it.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
They should all go to Galt's Gulch.
_chris@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 239d
How about them bootstraps, huh?
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 239d
Vast majority of this funding will get vacuumed up by corporate farms and continue to leave most small family/independents out to dry
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 239d
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 239d
I'm not so sure that's true. There is a shit load of land used to grow corn to make ethanol that's farmed by independent farmers. In the US most farmland is used for soy beans and corn for livestock feed or fuel. It wouldn't be a simple or cheap undertaking, but that last could be utilized more efficiently to directly or indirectly fees people.
I would also bet there are enough people that would love to be farmers that can't because land isn't available or cheap that would step up if large farm operations were broken up. That's pure speculation, but even if one mega farm were split 4 ways, that would still be an improvement to the current situation.
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
So then people were just starving to death in the 50's and 60's?
I seriously doubt it
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 238d
Sounds like a classic chicken and egg problem. Or circular reasoning.
EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
We had half the population in the US in 1960, and a bit more than a third of today's number globally.
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 238d
And we had none of the efficiency, gmo's, and a fraction of the available laborers, and were using smaller amounts of land for farming.
EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 238d
The efficiency comes at scale, not diffuse small farms.
GMOs yes.
Modern farming is less labor-intensive, not sure on your point there.
Ag land use down 21.7% 1950-2002 Source. Downward trend continues through 2024 Source.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 239d
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know... morons.
snekerpimp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
Howard Johnson is right!
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
Doctor Samuel Johnson is right about Orson Johnson being right.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 239d
Yet another "one-time" payment to farmers... must be another year with trump in the white house: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 239d
Ok. So then what about next year when the tarrifs are still in place and fucking over farmers?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 239d
They will get another "one time" payment again. It's like stimulus checks but only for his supporters.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Well, hopefully that's after the midterms and if they don't like it, well fuck it. Donvict won't care as long as he has a compliant Congress to kowtow to every bullshit decree he bleats out on his Xitter knockoff.
caffinatedone@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 238d
So, he's taking our money that we're forced to pay due to his stupid tariffs and is using some of it to payoff his supporters who he screwed over with those same tariffs. So, forcing everyone else to clean up his messes. Classic trump.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 238d
Sounds like OpenAI and Nvidia's circular investments.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 238d
Or like the arsonist that is also a firefighter.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 238d
The human centipede of corruption
fox2263@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 239d
Why do they need payouts?
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org · 15 pts · 239d
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org · 14 pts · 239d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 239d
We'll have a concept of a plan in two weeks.
But first: let's talk more about Gatsby parties and ballrooms...
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 238d
Well. Trump is using the income from the tariffs to pay the farmers. This is America first at its best. We, the people, pay the tariffs and then that money is used to pay the farmers. The farmers then sale their crops to major corporations. The major corporations the charge us more in the stores to cover the cost of the tariffs we, the people, have to pay. It’s brilliant!!!
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 238d
This is one of the "many ways" we get to see the "rebate"
DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 238d
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 238d
How much of that £12 bn is going to megacorporations versus small farmers?
Branch_Ranch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 238d
The small farmers are drowning in debt so that money will mostly go to the mega corps anyway. Shits fucked.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 239d
I’m trying to figure out here how much farmland is actually owned by farming families and not corporate entities or corporations operating under the “family” banner while being owned by a family that owns shitloads of farms, but I can’t find an honest answer here and the definition of family seems fucking dubious everywhere I’ve looked.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 239d
From his own pocket right? Because his stupid decisions put them in that situation. I would like to see what percentage of money goes to small farms and what money goes to huge corporate farms.
Oh nice that they get one but no one fucking else does.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 239d
etherphon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
Of course, but from what I'm understanding these subsidies are going to the farmers who's soybeans weren't bought by China because of Trump's tariffs so they weren't domestic food to begin with. Now they will probably rot somewhere instead. Starvation never entered the picture, this is all about money. I'd love to own a farm, sure.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 239d
etherphon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
It's a shame their products aren't valued more, since they are the raw materials for so much including life. I still don't support bailing out farmers who voted for this. I guess I would rather bail out farmers than bankers or oil barons or ranchers, as if I have a choice. Anyways, we can't be sure this money is even going to the right people with this admin.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 239d
It's like driving through town and throwing coins out the window.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 238d
Once the small farmers realize Trump is coming for their land it will be too late.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 238d
I mean, it's too late now, but they're going to keep gargling his balls right up until they're thrown out on their asses.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 238d
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 237d
Oh they do. This is them taking that fear seriously and consolidating control.
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 238d
So the argument is that since the executive is collecting the tariffs, it can spend them directly without Congress?
Isn't the IRS also an executive agency?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 237d
Last time I checked they aren't making any arguments unless they are sued.
Why Trump thinks he can spend any revenue without congressional permission is beyond me. It is clear his administration does not care for the rule of law. They are a criminal organization.
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 237d
Look it's me, a farmer.