But, no country is willing to send troops there to defeat Russia.
(yes, I know we supply AWAC support, satellite data, and "advisors" that are special forces and do a lot more than advise, but hell, we do that everywhere at all times anyways, you can't count that!)
I think that's a fantastic plan, but it appears to me that the EU would rather not lose their gas source, they are still buying Russian gas last time I checked. This would lead to at least a major price increase, which is bad for our too-big-to-fail international business interests.
On the other hand, Ukraine was given many F-16s, why would they allow F-16s but not long range strike drones? I don't know enough to figure it out.
I disagree, I think they will not invade the EU without Chinese agreement and a lot more of their support. But, I'm not a general or anything, just my opinion.
Few days before the invasion of Ukraine in 2022 China and Russia announced "no limits" partnership. We even learned that the invasion was postponed for a week because Xi didn't want attention greeting away from the Winter Olympics.
Had the invasion of Ukraine went go as smoothly as putin was expecting, we likely would see much more open cooperation of China.
It did try to invade EU in 2014.
Pretty much the same flyers the Russia distributed in Donetsk and Luhansk were distributed in Daugavpils and Rēzekne at the se time. I remember how I started hearing really crazy shit from Russian-speakers of eastern Latvia. The Russia canceled that operation's Latvian part, but the fact that it went as far as to begin that operation is a very big thing.
I don't understand why so many countries are reluctant. Fear of escalation is dumb, as a bully will only keep escalating every time their power is proven effective.
Not wanting to deal with the public backlash over military deaths? WHAT THE FUCK IS A MILITARY FOR??? If we all thought like this back in the 1940s, we'd all be speaking German and eating nothing but cabbage and sausages.
No one WANTS to send people to possible death. But that's why the military hires you, educates you and pays you the way they do. You don't get s military salary just for playing soldier on training grounds. The express agreement is "we will give you all this, but you might have to fight one day".
i suspect putin is funding most of these other countries politicians, they dont want to lose that money spigot, plus the propaganda that comes with it.
Agreed, but that is what increased our reluctance for "total war" in my opinion, it's not that our people have lost our spine. Nukes allow the weaker opponent to counter punch much higher than their weight class, this has even worked for North Korea.
"We'd all be speaking and ____ing nothing but _____" means "we would have been forced to follow the culture of this foreign nation and lose our own."
The act of forcing people to give up their language and culture for another one has an English word for it: Genocide.
HumanOnEarth was saying that if we had behaved throughout the 1940's the way we do now, we would have ended up victims of genocide. Nothing in his comment says that there is anything wrong with cabbages or sausages. They are not a problem to him at all. But losing his own cuisine and his own language would be problems for him.
I am surprised if you truly do not understand this and wrote your comment in a good faith.
HumanOnEarth was speaking up against fascism and what you did was to ridicule him. I hope you did so by accident.
They were tortured and slaughtered in order to remove their culture and language from the face of Earth.
Killing people is difficult. It was not done for fun. It was done in order to achieve a goal.
No, saying that that goal was monstrous is not "moaning". And it is extremely disrespectful of you towards the victims of genocides to reduce it to that.
Trump has 30+ years experience of doing business with Russia; even when it was quite unpopular and frowned upon.
He was suspected of being a money launderer for Russian oligarchs, I think this was in the 90s if memory serves, and there was legal involvement and government investigation with few results.
But those are EU nations, I disagree that this is their goal now or in near future. They would have to be fully supported by China and India first, they're not berserk.
I don't think China will go for it, what they are doing now is working perfectly for their goals, they are not planning a military victory, but an economic one. All they have to do is be patient.
In my opinion, that is.This is based on my admittedly limited knowledge of history and you could be right, I hope we never find out and that we are both wrong.
also because many countries, depend on russia, especially some of the right wing government, they dont want to bite the hand that feeds them. its like in voyager where the trabe wasnt losing any trading/influence because they dint want to offend them(they enslaved the kazon) eventhough its reprehensible.
Glad he’s got an American sherpa, we do take complaints of unfairness seriously or at the very least have to pretend to care. Of course it’s much worse than that but that’s what he can say now
37 Comments
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 56 pts · 272d
Because this wasn't a peace deal, it was a surrender deal.
Media are complicit with spreading that misinformation.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 40 pts · 272d
Hey Russia, why don’t you withdraw forces from Ukraine, which includes Crimea, dumbasses.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 271d
Blowing up of expensive military equipment must continue until morale worsens
Enzy@feddit.nu · 30 pts · 272d
Never back down.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 24 pts · 272d
Russia must not win. There must not be normalization of relationship until Russia has adequately paid for this atrocity.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · -25 pts · 272d
but that's double standards, e.g. Germany or the US never paid adequately for their atrocities. Germany must lead the way!
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 17 pts · 272d
no it's not. don't change the topic.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · -6 pts · 271d
do you have any facts available?
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 271d
Finland is the only country ever to pay their reparations in full.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 272d
Yeah, we know, everybody knows!
But, no country is willing to send troops there to defeat Russia.
(yes, I know we supply AWAC support, satellite data, and "advisors" that are special forces and do a lot more than advise, but hell, we do that everywhere at all times anyways, you can't count that!)
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 272d
Europe should create series of factories producing 1000-2000 long range strike drones a day and let Ukraine use them.
That would be the fastest way to end this war.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 272d
I think that's a fantastic plan, but it appears to me that the EU would rather not lose their gas source, they are still buying Russian gas last time I checked. This would lead to at least a major price increase, which is bad for our too-big-to-fail international business interests.
On the other hand, Ukraine was given many F-16s, why would they allow F-16s but not long range strike drones? I don't know enough to figure it out.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 272d
Russia won't stop until it can't. So Europe wither needs to do it or start learning Russian.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
Guess its time for my ass to wait for death then because our leaders will 100% sell their countries for a nice villa somewhere.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 272d
I disagree, I think they will not invade the EU without Chinese agreement and a lot more of their support. But, I'm not a general or anything, just my opinion.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 270d
Few days before the invasion of Ukraine in 2022 China and Russia announced "no limits" partnership. We even learned that the invasion was postponed for a week because Xi didn't want attention greeting away from the Winter Olympics.
Had the invasion of Ukraine went go as smoothly as putin was expecting, we likely would see much more open cooperation of China.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 270d
I agree with you, they are supplying Russia right now, and they have a very long history of working together.
Tuuktuuk@mastodontti.fi · 1 pts · 271d
@Mulligrubs @takeda
It did try to invade EU in 2014.
Pretty much the same flyers the Russia distributed in Donetsk and Luhansk were distributed in Daugavpils and Rēzekne at the se time. I remember how I started hearing really crazy shit from Russian-speakers of eastern Latvia. The Russia canceled that operation's Latvian part, but the fact that it went as far as to begin that operation is a very big thing.
It will try again, just in a different manner.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 272d
I don't understand why so many countries are reluctant. Fear of escalation is dumb, as a bully will only keep escalating every time their power is proven effective.
Not wanting to deal with the public backlash over military deaths? WHAT THE FUCK IS A MILITARY FOR??? If we all thought like this back in the 1940s, we'd all be speaking German and eating nothing but cabbage and sausages.
No one WANTS to send people to possible death. But that's why the military hires you, educates you and pays you the way they do. You don't get s military salary just for playing soldier on training grounds. The express agreement is "we will give you all this, but you might have to fight one day".
What the hell happened to us?
tehsillz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 272d
We DID think like this back in the 1940's.. That's how they got so far.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 272d
Fair.....faacism waited just long enough for everyone who remembers to die, and it's going for a speedrun this time.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 271d
i suspect putin is funding most of these other countries politicians, they dont want to lose that money spigot, plus the propaganda that comes with it.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 272d
Nuclear weapons.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 272d
The premise of MAD has kept us alive so far, no reason to think it won't continue to apply. Russia is counting on it.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 272d
Agreed, but that is what increased our reluctance for "total war" in my opinion, it's not that our people have lost our spine. Nukes allow the weaker opponent to counter punch much higher than their weight class, this has even worked for North Korea.
So far.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · -2 pts · 272d
so your problem w/ victorious Germans would have been cabbage and sausages?? (btw, it's a completely different situation than w/ Nazi ruled Germany.)
Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 271d
Firstly, this reads as you saying "Nazis were okay until 1940 or so, but then they began doing really evil things"
Secondly, this reads as you defending the Russia.
Supporting Nazis or supporting the Russia have no place in this community.
Could you elaborate on these words of yours?
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · 1 pts · 271d
dude, you're having a problem with german food while they persecuted millions?
Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 271d
"We'd all be speaking and ____ing nothing but _____" means "we would have been forced to follow the culture of this foreign nation and lose our own."
The act of forcing people to give up their language and culture for another one has an English word for it: Genocide.
HumanOnEarth was saying that if we had behaved throughout the 1940's the way we do now, we would have ended up victims of genocide. Nothing in his comment says that there is anything wrong with cabbages or sausages. They are not a problem to him at all. But losing his own cuisine and his own language would be problems for him.
I am surprised if you truly do not understand this and wrote your comment in a good faith.
HumanOnEarth was speaking up against fascism and what you did was to ridicule him. I hope you did so by accident.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · 1 pts · 270d
again, your moaning about culture and language while millions where tortured and slaughtered.
Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 270d
They were tortured and slaughtered in order to remove their culture and language from the face of Earth.
Killing people is difficult. It was not done for fun. It was done in order to achieve a goal.
No, saying that that goal was monstrous is not "moaning". And it is extremely disrespectful of you towards the victims of genocides to reduce it to that.
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 13 pts · 272d
If nobody sends troops and Trump gets his (and Putins way) the Russians will make their way to Romania, Bulgaria, Poland and the Baltics soon enough.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 272d
Trump has 30+ years experience of doing business with Russia; even when it was quite unpopular and frowned upon.
He was suspected of being a money launderer for Russian oligarchs, I think this was in the 90s if memory serves, and there was legal involvement and government investigation with few results.
But those are EU nations, I disagree that this is their goal now or in near future. They would have to be fully supported by China and India first, they're not berserk.
I don't think China will go for it, what they are doing now is working perfectly for their goals, they are not planning a military victory, but an economic one. All they have to do is be patient.
In my opinion, that is.This is based on my admittedly limited knowledge of history and you could be right, I hope we never find out and that we are both wrong.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 271d
it started in the 80s, no banks would loan to him by the 90s? so DEUSTCHE bank stepped in.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 271d
also because many countries, depend on russia, especially some of the right wing government, they dont want to bite the hand that feeds them. its like in voyager where the trabe wasnt losing any trading/influence because they dint want to offend them(they enslaved the kazon) eventhough its reprehensible.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 272d
Unfair? It would be ridiculous.
Archer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 272d
Glad he’s got an American sherpa, we do take complaints of unfairness seriously or at the very least have to pretend to care. Of course it’s much worse than that but that’s what he can say now