VPN usually saves your IP too. And they have to give your IP address if requested by government. This might not be true for all countries and all VPN, but be mindful about this. I wouldn't do anything illegal thinking its safe with a VPN.
That's not the same, they're not putting the files behind a pay wall. They aren't earning money from those specific files (legally), any donation had no connection to anything specific they're hosting. Donations are never illegal, which is why it's common with sites who need to earn money to keep everything running but host illegal content of any kind.
So let me get this straight: Anna’s Archive taking 100% from artists = good, Bandcamp taking ~20% = good, but Spotify taking ~30% = bad? That suggests the issue isn’t artist pay, it’s just which platform you’ve decided to hate.
And Anna’s Archive’s framing around ‘free access to culture’ seems to mean free for scraping and ideological cover, but for-profit when it’s packaged and sold to AI companies. That’s not anarchy - it’s anarcho-capitalism.
Not sure what the problem with the numbers is. Piracy = 0% to artists, Bandcamp = around 80% after fees and Visa, Spotify = pays rights holders around 70% of gross revenue, and artists often see 20% or less from labels. Blaming Spotify misses the real problem: labels control the payouts, not the platform.
I get that you promote your business a saviour, but how do people find the artists they want to go see without streaming or distribution platforms?
18 Comments
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 279d
It's not legal what they are doing, isn't it? Don't they have basically the whole worlds police force after them already? Where are they even hosting?
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 279d
They just need to say they are using the archive for AI training data. Then it's legal.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 278d
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d
They released the scraped data though and are openly against copyright laws
moondoggie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
Well, they do sell access to their data to train AI, so that’s a start
hayvan@piefed.world · 5 pts · 279d
This is the view from Belgium indeed.
Edit: alternative link available: https://nl.annas-archive.org/blog/backing-up-spotify.html
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 279d
Well this is ironic
hayvan@piefed.world · 4 pts · 279d
Haha, wow
not_me@piefed.social · 2 pts · 279d
Fetus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
Or Cloudflare DNS.
not_me@piefed.social · 3 pts · 279d
thingsiplay@beehaw.org · 1 pts · 279d
VPN usually saves your IP too. And they have to give your IP address if requested by government. This might not be true for all countries and all VPN, but be mindful about this. I wouldn't do anything illegal thinking its safe with a VPN.
not_me@piefed.social · 1 pts · 279d
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d
Spotify started with piracy.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org · 1 pts · 279d
It is illegal to distribute these files. And they accept money, so it makes it even worse:
M137@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 277d
That's not the same, they're not putting the files behind a pay wall. They aren't earning money from those specific files (legally), any donation had no connection to anything specific they're hosting. Donations are never illegal, which is why it's common with sites who need to earn money to keep everything running but host illegal content of any kind.
puntinoblue@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 278d
Isn’t that just stealing royalties from the musicians?
turdburglar@piefed.social · 3 pts · 278d
ha! no, what royalties? play the song one million times and they get a dollar? spotify can get bent. long live bandcamp.
puntinoblue@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 277d
So let me get this straight: Anna’s Archive taking 100% from artists = good, Bandcamp taking ~20% = good, but Spotify taking ~30% = bad? That suggests the issue isn’t artist pay, it’s just which platform you’ve decided to hate.
And Anna’s Archive’s framing around ‘free access to culture’ seems to mean free for scraping and ideological cover, but for-profit when it’s packaged and sold to AI companies. That’s not anarchy - it’s anarcho-capitalism.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 1 pts · 276d
i’m not so sure about your numbers there, friend.
also bands don’t make money on streaming or selling records in stores anymore. they make money selling tickets and product at the shows.
source: i have run a live music venue for 35 years. watching the changes in the business model has been wild.
puntinoblue@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 269d
Not sure what the problem with the numbers is. Piracy = 0% to artists, Bandcamp = around 80% after fees and Visa, Spotify = pays rights holders around 70% of gross revenue, and artists often see 20% or less from labels. Blaming Spotify misses the real problem: labels control the payouts, not the platform.
I get that you promote your business a saviour, but how do people find the artists they want to go see without streaming or distribution platforms?