Does a ALU detect pain? Yes. Does it feel pain? No.
Just because it's organic circuits, doesn't mean they suddenly develop consciousness. That requires secific circuitry and data processing facilities. Organoids are far from sufficient.
Let's not pretend we understand the mechanics of consciousness. If you can prove what is required for consciousness, there's at least a Nobel prize in it for you.
So glad someone already said it. I'm a neuroscience PhD student who works with brain organoids and the article is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, I'm not aware of any labs or research that has been able to produce brain organoids with functional blood vessels. Having a necrotic core is normal for old organoids.
Ok it sounds like they got functioning vessels after xenografting into mice (which has its own issues) and it mentioned connecting to micro fluidic chambers in the future for full ex vivo, but they don't have a functioning model for that yet. It's a very interesting and promising area of research but with practical lab work nowadays it's just not feasible. I hope they're able to get a full ex vivo model working soon though, that would be really exciting!
You know "ethics" in scientific pursuit doesn't mean just one thing, right? ie there's a wide swath of territory between "let's breed these fruit flies to study genetics" and "now where did I put my baby decapitator?", and it's important to evaluate the ethical ramifications of an action at each step along the way.
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the_q@lemmy.zip · 106 pts · 246d
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 42 pts · 246d
Who upvotes this phony bullshit from "singularityhub"?
There's only one worthwhile sentence in this slop:
edit: A reason behind the hype. "Biotech" is yesterday's "AI".
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 246d
people upvote sensationalist bullshit because it's what they emotionally respond to.
lemmy is rapidly become reddit redux, at an even faster pace. tons of crazy people on this site who are just here to get high on ragebait.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 246d
Reasoning.
Does a ALU detect pain? Yes. Does it feel pain? No.
Just because it's organic circuits, doesn't mean they suddenly develop consciousness. That requires secific circuitry and data processing facilities. Organoids are far from sufficient.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 37 pts · 246d
Let's not pretend we understand the mechanics of consciousness. If you can prove what is required for consciousness, there's at least a Nobel prize in it for you.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 246d
BrainBow65@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 246d
So glad someone already said it. I'm a neuroscience PhD student who works with brain organoids and the article is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, I'm not aware of any labs or research that has been able to produce brain organoids with functional blood vessels. Having a necrotic core is normal for old organoids.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 244d
It links to an article about brain organoids with blood vessels:
https://singularityhub.com/2018/04/18/mini-brains-just-grew-their-own-blood-vessels-heres-why-thats-great-news/
BrainBow65@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 244d
Ok it sounds like they got functioning vessels after xenografting into mice (which has its own issues) and it mentioned connecting to micro fluidic chambers in the future for full ex vivo, but they don't have a functioning model for that yet. It's a very interesting and promising area of research but with practical lab work nowadays it's just not feasible. I hope they're able to get a full ex vivo model working soon though, that would be really exciting!
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 244d
Also, note that article's 8 years old and way out of date.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 244d
I havent read any of the comments or article yet, just wanted to predict how they're going :
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 244d
Lembot_0006@programming.dev · -49 pts · 246d
Fuck ethics, push science. As long as they don't kill children to get the brains out, ethics-mumblers should keep their mouths shut.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 246d
artifex@piefed.social · 21 pts · 246d
You know "ethics" in scientific pursuit doesn't mean just one thing, right? ie there's a wide swath of territory between "let's breed these fruit flies to study genetics" and "now where did I put my baby decapitator?", and it's important to evaluate the ethical ramifications of an action at each step along the way.
halfdane@piefed.social · 17 pts · 246d
Oof wtf?
As well, if you go so far, why exclude killing children? Are you a closeted ethics-mumbler yourself?
BCOVertigo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 246d
But can't we just have a LITTLE Bladerunner style dystopia, as a treat?
halfdane@piefed.social · 9 pts · 246d
We have Bladerunner style dystopia at home!
MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io · 7 pts · 246d
We have one Bladerunner style dystopia, yes, but what about second Bladerunner style dystopia?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 244d
There's always Bladerunner style dystopia in the banana stand.
Lembot_0006@programming.dev · -9 pts · 246d
Facepalm.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 246d
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 246d
Yeah, totally not a nazi perspective, after all no crimes of war were committed in the name of science ever