c/news · by Sunflier@lemmy.world · 242d

Kentucky woman who ordered abortion meds charged with fetal homicide, police say

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/kentucky-abortion-fetal-homicide-melinda-spencer-b2893527.html?tblci=GiBn6jTHIN1DvgTkVEJhen6HBGDrRUb0vWt-MBL1svg9yCDj3U8ouJ33hp7WhaKXATCvlj4#tblciGiBn6jTHIN1DvgTkVEJhen6HBGDrRUb0vWt-MBL1svg9yCDj3U8ouJ33hp7WhaKXATCvlj4

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blackbearjesus27@lemmy.world · 201 pts · 242d (2 replies)

“The answer is not more abortion, but more compassion, responsibility, and real support for women and families.”

…which is why we’re going to throw her in prison for the rest of her life! We’re just that compassionate

vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 87 pts · 242d (1 reply)

Also, our dear leader has thrown a baby into lake Michigan out of the compassion and responsibility

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 241d

Yeah that didn't upset a single pro-life asshole. They don't care about life, and everyone not drinking their Kool Aid knows it.

grue@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 242d (2 replies)

Won't someone rid us of these snitching clinic workers violating medical ethics?

falseWhite@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 241d (1 reply)

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shiroininja@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 241d

If not now, when?

Maiq@piefed.social · 74 pts · 242d (3 replies)

So fucked up!

Sunflier@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 242d (2 replies)

How much longer until they start throwing them off roof tops and stoning them?

allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 242d

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UltraBlack@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d

I would choose that in the same position

tal@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 242d (15 replies)

outside of Lexington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state

You could have crossed state lines into Virginia, 120 miles away, and been outside of Kentucky jurisdiction, and abortions inclusive of second-trimester would be legal.

170 miles would reach Michigan, where abortions at any stage are legal.

“The answer is not more abortion, but more compassion, responsibility, and real support for women and families.”

The answer is to just exit Kentucky's jurisdiction and do whatever you want, because Kentucky doesn't have any say as to what residents of Kentucky do outside Kentucky's borders. You promptly go from "facing life sentence or execution" to "peachy keen, knock yourself out".

madjo@piefed.social · 24 pts · 242d (5 replies)

Until they make travel for pregnant women illegal.

tal@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 242d (4 replies)

States are not allowed to prohibit interstate travel under the US Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privileges_and_Immunities_Clause

madjo@piefed.social · 32 pts · 242d

If only the far right conservatives cared about what the Constitution says.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 242d (1 reply)

And yet Texas has allowed individuals to sue out-of-state companies/residents for providing mail-order abortion pills. Everyone involved in the manufacture, packaging, and delivery could be sued. Claimants could win up to $100k per case. Lawmakers specifically made it a civil issue to keep it out of the criminal courts, because that allows them to skirt the interstate commerce clause. It also allows them to crowdfund the enforcement, because it’s two citizens duking it out in court instead of a state prosecutor having to handle every case.

They also want to avoid coming into conflict with the liberal states’ shield laws, which basically says the liberal state will defend a person/company if they’re criminally prosecuted by a conservative state for facilitating an abortion. Because if two states have a disagreement about a criminal case, it goes straight to the SCOTUS. And those conservative lawmakers know the conservative SCOTUS would rule on their favor… And they specifically don’t want the SCOTUS to rule in their favor on this. Because it would open the floodgates for liberal states to prosecute gun/ammo makers whenever shootings happen with weapons that were purchased across state lines.

theneverfox@pawb.social · 6 pts · 241d

The real reason they don't want the supreme Court to weigh in is that they don't want to win the issue. They want to milk it forever

mracton@piefed.social · 9 pts · 241d

Until they use “fetal personhood” to claim the pregnant person is kidnapping the fetus by crossing state lines, adding to this kafkaesque nightmare.

MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 241d (1 reply)

I don't know her particular situation, but if she needed "non-emergency" medical care, it's possible it's only covered in the state. I don't know why she went in or disclosed, but if she went in for something non life threatening it's possible it'd be out of pocket anywhere else.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d

It’s always a good idea to disclose everything health related to your medical provider: how else can they effectively treat you. Any ethical medical provider will keep that confidential, plus confidentiality is protected by federal law like HIPAA …… someone does need to go to jail here, whoever violated her rights under the guise of medical treatment

velindora@lemmy.cafe · -17 pts · 242d (6 replies)

How do you feel about just educating them about sex and contraception?

ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 242d (3 replies)

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velindora@lemmy.cafe · -2 pts · 242d (2 replies)

Huh?

ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com · 37 pts · 242d (1 reply)

Women get unwanted pregnancies by not being educated or misinformed about how sex works, so sure, educate everyone in Sex Ed . But women get unwanted pregnancies in lots of ways that Sex Ed won't stop, including failed contraception and rape. And there are a large number of reasons to have medical abortions available including ectopic or other high risk pregnancies. Hence the poster relying to you saying both is fine, but "just" Sex Ed is a terrible idea.

velindora@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 241d

Oh. I’m not against abortions. The user I’m talking to doesn’t believe in sex ed for kids, so I’m just giving them shit.

Skanky@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 241d (1 reply)

I'm addition to making abortions legal age available, right? Right?

velindora@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 241d

I have no problem with abortions. The user I’m talking to doesn’t believe in sex ed, I’m just giving them shit.

Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 242d (3 replies)

Kentuckystan

lena@gregtech.eu · 14 pts · 241d (2 replies)