Did they remove the wireless charging shit, too? If not, I wonder if someone can use that to hack the phone, cuz I've seen things about hacking onboard car computers by just clipping something to the frame of the vehicle and working off the same idea that those electrical line internet routers work to change voltages in the computer chips and basically send machine code to it to control things.
Wtf, no. You've seen people hacking a car via a headlight connector because it's on the canbus (in car network). You've absolutely not seen people just clipping to the frame.
The headlights aren't on the underside of the vehicle, where they were attaching their device. It was only possible with some mid 90s early 2000s cars where they had computers sophisticated enough to control certain things like acceleration and steering, but not new enough to have thought of hardening against this extremely technical type of attack.
IIRC, it was an episode of the Motherboard series "Phreaked-Out" that showed this off.
What you describe is physically not possible. A vehicle chassis is a ground plane for the entire car, and not hooked into any communications. It's also a really really noisy ground plane thanks to the alternator and engine.
If they're plugging into the obd port or some other part of the car giving them access to the canbus, sure. They weren't only connecting to the chassis though, they need some sort of network access.
You dont need a direct line to the hardware if you're just forcing bit flips through a large magnetic field. That's why they hook to the frame; it's the largest piece of metal.
You're not hacking a car via fault injection alone though. You can probably crash and reboot the ecu, but there's no way you'd manage predictable control over which bits you're flipping.
Also because ground on a car is so dirty, the electronics are well isolated.
If you have any evidence of this actually being possible, I'd love to read it.
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teft@piefed.social · 23 pts · 226d
Well now “they” know about the battery short and will plan ahead. Way to opsec, ya dingus.
Fontasia@feddit.nl · 23 pts · 226d
When you spend your life arguing with people on Hacker News you don't need that other stuff
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 226d
NO WAY THEY LATER MADE THE PHONE COMPLETELY USELESS LOL.
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 226d
tyler@programming.dev · 42 pts · 226d
I mean they’re clearly trolling
xep@discuss.online · 10 pts · 226d
How does he charge the phone, inductively?
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 9 pts · 226d
Yes.
Pacrat173@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 226d
I thought I recognized that name
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 226d
Did they remove the wireless charging shit, too? If not, I wonder if someone can use that to hack the phone, cuz I've seen things about hacking onboard car computers by just clipping something to the frame of the vehicle and working off the same idea that those electrical line internet routers work to change voltages in the computer chips and basically send machine code to it to control things.
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 226d
Wtf, no. You've seen people hacking a car via a headlight connector because it's on the canbus (in car network). You've absolutely not seen people just clipping to the frame.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 226d
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 226d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 226d
The headlights aren't on the underside of the vehicle, where they were attaching their device. It was only possible with some mid 90s early 2000s cars where they had computers sophisticated enough to control certain things like acceleration and steering, but not new enough to have thought of hardening against this extremely technical type of attack.
IIRC, it was an episode of the Motherboard series "Phreaked-Out" that showed this off.
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 226d
What you describe is physically not possible. A vehicle chassis is a ground plane for the entire car, and not hooked into any communications. It's also a really really noisy ground plane thanks to the alternator and engine.
If they're plugging into the obd port or some other part of the car giving them access to the canbus, sure. They weren't only connecting to the chassis though, they need some sort of network access.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · -1 pts · 226d
You dont need a direct line to the hardware if you're just forcing bit flips through a large magnetic field. That's why they hook to the frame; it's the largest piece of metal.
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 226d
You're not hacking a car via fault injection alone though. You can probably crash and reboot the ecu, but there's no way you'd manage predictable control over which bits you're flipping.
Also because ground on a car is so dirty, the electronics are well isolated.
If you have any evidence of this actually being possible, I'd love to read it.
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 226d
Looks like they didn't.