Oh there's no plans to make them Americans. They'll be made an unincorporated territory with no voting rights where the constitution doesn't fully apply. Not that it applies much anymore anyway.
This is one of the primary arguments used all throughout colonial times. And it’s as bullshit now as it was then. It essentially claims all sovereign states to which another more powerful state exists in opposition, should relinquish the desire for sovereignty.
It should be possible for a people to say “We would like our autonomy” and expect other nations to say in response, “Understood, and we will ally with you to defend such a notion.”
It should be possible for a people to say “We would like our autonomy” and expect other nations to say in response, “Understood, and we will ally with you to defend such a notion.”
It should. But then again, the people of Gaza wanted to not be genocided and the world stood by and let it happen. While I fully agree with your sentiment, the specifics of the world right now might require a less than ideal approach.
Europe should say that, of course. But their weak talk so far suggests they probably won’t defend Greenlanders even if they are a part of Denmark; and if so if Greenland were independent at the moment there’s no reason to think that would somehow give them more of a spine.
I understand and agree with the sentiment that Greenland is a colonized place that should be independent. I also understand that telling colonized people “not right now” and “it’s too dangerous” are the lines the colonizers always use. But that might actually be the case in this moment. The reality is that the US/Israel axis is acting as if the world is theirs. It feels like we really are in 1939, only the US/Israel axis has far more relative power than the Germany/Italy axis ever did.
The concept of a nation only exists if you can defend it. I can't declare my house a sovereign nation and assume that other nations have a moral duty to defend my sovereignty from America (or any other nation).
I get extrapolating an analogy to extremes to make a point. But there is a vast gulf of difference between declaring one’s house within a sovereign state another sovereign state and expecting others to come to your aid, and a large, otherwise uninhabited tract of land, rich with precious metals requesting sovereignty upon that land with the aid of allies with which they can trade.
Every country with an US army base is already american, if greenlanders care so much about not being invaded perhaps they should get rid of the current invaders.
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mangaskahn@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 241d
Oh there's no plans to make them Americans. They'll be made an unincorporated territory with no voting rights where the constitution doesn't fully apply. Not that it applies much anymore anyway.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 241d
If they're lucky they may be able to get naturalized.... Eventually
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 241d
89% of the population of the Greenland is Inuit. If this doesn't scream Imperialism, I don't know what does.
This is something more people need to know about
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 241d
I'm Canadian, but if Trump offered us 1 million each to join the USA I would still tell them to pound sand.
B0rax@feddit.org · 14 pts · 241d
Especially since his promises are worth jack shit.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 241d
theherk@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 241d
Is it? Seems like a perfect time to say it. They just want to be their own thing. It isn’t like this is a new sentiment.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 241d
theherk@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 241d
This is one of the primary arguments used all throughout colonial times. And it’s as bullshit now as it was then. It essentially claims all sovereign states to which another more powerful state exists in opposition, should relinquish the desire for sovereignty.
It should be possible for a people to say “We would like our autonomy” and expect other nations to say in response, “Understood, and we will ally with you to defend such a notion.”
Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 241d
It should. But then again, the people of Gaza wanted to not be genocided and the world stood by and let it happen. While I fully agree with your sentiment, the specifics of the world right now might require a less than ideal approach.
Europe should say that, of course. But their weak talk so far suggests they probably won’t defend Greenlanders even if they are a part of Denmark; and if so if Greenland were independent at the moment there’s no reason to think that would somehow give them more of a spine.
I understand and agree with the sentiment that Greenland is a colonized place that should be independent. I also understand that telling colonized people “not right now” and “it’s too dangerous” are the lines the colonizers always use. But that might actually be the case in this moment. The reality is that the US/Israel axis is acting as if the world is theirs. It feels like we really are in 1939, only the US/Israel axis has far more relative power than the Germany/Italy axis ever did.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 241d
The concept of a nation only exists if you can defend it. I can't declare my house a sovereign nation and assume that other nations have a moral duty to defend my sovereignty from America (or any other nation).
theherk@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
I get extrapolating an analogy to extremes to make a point. But there is a vast gulf of difference between declaring one’s house within a sovereign state another sovereign state and expecting others to come to your aid, and a large, otherwise uninhabited tract of land, rich with precious metals requesting sovereignty upon that land with the aid of allies with which they can trade.
Don’t be silly.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 241d
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 241d
fizzle@quokk.au · -8 pts · 241d
I agree. The whole statement is a bit... odd TBH.
Critical_Drinking@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 241d
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · -12 pts · 241d
So i wonder why there's an US army base in greenland?
oktoberpaard@feddit.nl · 24 pts · 241d
Because of an agreement from 1951. There are US army bases all over the world.
Saapas@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 241d
Clearly those places are all Americans. Djibouti is an interesting melting pot since it has loads of foreign military bases
B0rax@feddit.org · 3 pts · 241d
Go ahead, spell it out. What do you want to say? That every country with an US army base should be American?
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 240d
Every country with an US army base is already american, if greenlanders care so much about not being invaded perhaps they should get rid of the current invaders.
B0rax@feddit.org · 1 pts · 240d
You are saying Germany is American? Japan? Australia?