Fourth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Fourteenth Amendment:
Section 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
That seems to be a subject of debate but the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that the bill of rights applies to anyone in the US, not just citizens.
Oh of course. The current SCOTUS has shown they are happy to be a tool for fascism, that’s the only reason they are taking cases that have been considered “settled law” for decades.
Wasn't it Kavanaugh that swore up and down in confirmation hearings that he'd respect stare decisis and then got in and started breaking it right and left? I can't even remember anymore.
If protesting and obstructing ICE peacefully, within your rights and with civility, is going to have the same consequences as an attempt on their life, well... Maybe they'll find out that they can't play the fear card forever. Fascism usually features some carrots to keep the population tolerating it, and this administration seems sorely lacking.
"If they resist in any way, you can kill them, and they will be no punishment." Except that the people are the environment in which you exist and you must navigate for the rest of your life. See
Typical double-speak attacking a strawman position.
Nobody is claiming that Federal officers don't have immunity to perform their legal obligations and duties.
The complaint is that they're doing things that are not within their legal obligations and duties like trying enforce traffic laws and shooting people in the head.
Or raiding an entire apartment building full of homes without a single warrant.
Or throwing a flashbang into a car full of children and a 6-month old infant.
Or shooting people in the face with grenade launchers leading to the loss of their eye.
Or arresting people for being brown, or for not showing papers (which is so fascist that it is a meme).
Or fabricating 'assault on a federal officer' charges (which will result in years in prison, everyone should remember this) by invading personal space and treating any brushing contact as if it were a thrown punch.
Federal Officers are allow to perform their duty, they are not given completely immunity by virtue of their jobs nor are they given immunity to brutalize people who hurt their feelings or throw baloney on their cars.
For me a failed state is when the government doesn't follow its own laws or there is no penalty for breaking the law. Once rule of law is gone society and the nation have failed. It doesn't matter if it's democracy or any other form of government. If it's not following its own rules the anarchy is in charge, not the nation's traditions.
Yes, to perform their duties. Where does it say beat and restrain US citizens in their duty list? Nowhere. I see. Act accordingly people. If they break the law, you have the green light to break it right back on them. Let God sort them out.
I'm going to need citations for ICE raiding schools, repelling from helicopters to raid apartment buildings, shooting people in the face, going door to door without warrants, ramming cars to kidnap people on the suspicion they aren't citizens, disappearing citizens for months at a time, saying Real ID isn't proof of citizenship, or deporting people to prisons in other countries that the person isn't from with an understanding that they will never be released despite a lack of due process.
It's one thing to make a claim, it's another to back it up and prove your point.
Lol, I mean not really. Conflating what they are doing now with the shit they were up to under Obama is just being dishonest.
Secondly, criticism against ice now doesn't mean you agree with what they were doing under a different administration. Saying trump is bad does not mean you are claiming Obama is good.
Not anywhere near these levels nor with the same indescriminate backing. ICE has a job to do, but Cheeto Mussolini has changed the job description and given them 10x the funding and man power to be his private army to punish Blue states specifically. That's not how this all should work, nor worked under Obama. Nice try though.
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MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 130 pts · 236d
terrorism | 'terariz(a)m | noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims
Oxford Dictionary of English
snekerpimp@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 236d
Jhex@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 236d
also, that's not how Federal vs State jurisdiction works... check the 34 convictions the Orange Felon pedophile has
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 56 pts · 236d
A reminder, all you have to do is throw Miller to the street if you are at the ssme military base as him.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 236d
Apparently just making a chalk message on the sidewalk in front of his house is enough.
saimen@feddit.org · 45 pts · 236d
Meanwhile their "legal obligations and duties":
Limerance@piefed.social · 5 pts · 236d
Do these apply to all people in the USA or only citizens?
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 236d
The word “persons” applies to everyone.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 236d
That seems to be a subject of debate but the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that the bill of rights applies to anyone in the US, not just citizens.
saimen@feddit.org · 14 pts · 236d
A subject of debate for fascists
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 236d
Oh of course. The current SCOTUS has shown they are happy to be a tool for fascism, that’s the only reason they are taking cases that have been considered “settled law” for decades.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
Wasn't it Kavanaugh that swore up and down in confirmation hearings that he'd respect stare decisis and then got in and started breaking it right and left? I can't even remember anymore.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 236d
If protesting and obstructing ICE peacefully, within your rights and with civility, is going to have the same consequences as an attempt on their life, well... Maybe they'll find out that they can't play the fear card forever. Fascism usually features some carrots to keep the population tolerating it, and this administration seems sorely lacking.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 236d
The "carrot" is maybe they won't kidnap or murder you if you lick their boots.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 236d
Remind me to never eat the carrot cake at your place..
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 236d
It would be "carrot" cake.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 236d
All the more reason to decline a piece, methinks 😄
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 236d
Would it be more palatable if it was "carrot" "cake" thus fully obfuscating the whole affair?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 236d
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 33 pts · 236d
That's not how preemption works.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 236d
I know it's kind of surreal and that may make it hard to believe.
But we're dealing with actual traitors in control of our federal government. That's actually happening right now.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 236d
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 236d
"If they resist in any way, you can kill them, and they will be no punishment." Except that the people are the environment in which you exist and you must navigate for the rest of your life. See
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 236d
NO ONE is Allowed to Stop these UNKNOWN ARMED MEN from Kidnapping American Children and Shooting American Mothers! FREEDOM LIBTARDS!
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 236d
Isn't he the fascist who said the revolution would be bloodless if the "left" allows it?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 236d
Turns out that was also a lie
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 236d
To no one's surprise
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 236d
That was Kevin Roberts of Project 2025 fame.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 236d
Appreciate the clarification. They are all ghouls however
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 236d
Typical double-speak attacking a strawman position.
Nobody is claiming that Federal officers don't have immunity to perform their legal obligations and duties.
The complaint is that they're doing things that are not within their legal obligations and duties like trying enforce traffic laws and shooting people in the head.
Or raiding an entire apartment building full of homes without a single warrant.
Or throwing a flashbang into a car full of children and a 6-month old infant.
Or shooting people in the face with grenade launchers leading to the loss of their eye.
Or arresting people for being brown, or for not showing papers (which is so fascist that it is a meme).
Or fabricating 'assault on a federal officer' charges (which will result in years in prison, everyone should remember this) by invading personal space and treating any brushing contact as if it were a thrown punch.
Federal Officers are allow to perform their duty, they are not given completely immunity by virtue of their jobs nor are they given immunity to brutalize people who hurt their feelings or throw baloney on their cars.
Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 236d
Lol and it's written by AI. Amazing. Can't even show up for the fascist takeover, needs to phone it in.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 236d
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 235d
How many are you up to?
kokesh@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d
Someone should take him out, as should the ICE fuckers.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d
What a lame, weird little person Stephen is. He has no friends, no intelligence, and no looks. He is the epitome of failure in the human gene pool.
This post means nothing, just like all the other illegal orders they have given.
salacious_coaster@feddit.online · 9 pts · 235d
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 235d
For me a failed state is when the government doesn't follow its own laws or there is no penalty for breaking the law. Once rule of law is gone society and the nation have failed. It doesn't matter if it's democracy or any other form of government. If it's not following its own rules the anarchy is in charge, not the nation's traditions.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 235d
"No, that's exactly what they want! Then they'll start double fascism."
"No, they control the banks. And I've been a big fan of central banks since Hamilton. Let's not risk a depression."
"No, then people in red states will get double fascism."
"Slam them with shame until we maybe have a midterm election."
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 235d
Branding irons? Applied directly to the forehead?
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 236d
The
new NurembergMinneapolis Trials are gonna be litAlexLost@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 236d
Yes, to perform their duties. Where does it say beat and restrain US citizens in their duty list? Nowhere. I see. Act accordingly people. If they break the law, you have the green light to break it right back on them. Let God sort them out.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 236d
Miller is only a mouth. Scrawny little cueball would never be able win a face to face with anyone
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · -29 pts · 236d
ICE was doing the same shit under Obama. I hate that we're so team focused that we don't recognize when our team is doing it.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 236d
I'm going to need citations for ICE raiding schools, repelling from helicopters to raid apartment buildings, shooting people in the face, going door to door without warrants, ramming cars to kidnap people on the suspicion they aren't citizens, disappearing citizens for months at a time, saying Real ID isn't proof of citizenship, or deporting people to prisons in other countries that the person isn't from with an understanding that they will never be released despite a lack of due process.
It's one thing to make a claim, it's another to back it up and prove your point.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 236d
Not really no. Citizen arrests are up like 5000% last I heard. They were thugs yes, just thugs with less confidence.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 236d
Lol, I mean not really. Conflating what they are doing now with the shit they were up to under Obama is just being dishonest.
Secondly, criticism against ice now doesn't mean you agree with what they were doing under a different administration. Saying trump is bad does not mean you are claiming Obama is good.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 236d
Not anywhere near these levels nor with the same indescriminate backing. ICE has a job to do, but Cheeto Mussolini has changed the job description and given them 10x the funding and man power to be his private army to punish Blue states specifically. That's not how this all should work, nor worked under Obama. Nice try though.
Oyml77@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 235d
"bOtH sIdEs dO iT"