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33 Comments
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 54 pts · 226d
Remember when China sent their military into Hong Kong? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 226d
Now that's a liberation!
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 8 pts · 226d
It was a good attempt but the protestors failed and Hong Kong is occupied territory.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 226d
That's... what I said? Liberated. Like China did to Tibet. And Russia is doing to Ukraine. For what is liberty if not being forcibly subjected to the laws of a foreign government asserting that the land and populace is theirs by divine/historical/imagined right? Sure Hong Kong governed itself perfectly well before Britain unclenched their greedy imperialist hands. And sure, China agreed to let Hong Kong continue to govern itself afterwards. But when it comes down to it, those people belong to China. They needed to be liberated from the idea that they were independent. Had those protestors simply submitted to The Party, a lot of hubbub could have been avoided.
Should I lay it on thicker, or would an /s suffice? My internal Poe's Law is having a field day with this.
goat@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 226d
haha, nah, it's because we've had tankies who unironically say that stuff
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 7 pts · 226d
At least you're aware of your shortcomings.
On the fediverse there are A LOT of tankies who unironically would call it a liberation.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 3 pts · 226d
yup
alci@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 226d
And US to Venezuela, Iran and soon Greenland, or Israel to Libanon, Gaza and Cisjordania... Every imperialist countries are the same, including the western side. So it's hard to give any lesson...
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 225d
Only if your stance demands that one "side" can do no wrong while the other "side" is cartoonishly evil. Otherwise the lesson is pretty simple. Don't simp for states.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 226d
Taiwan does claim to be the Republic of China, and to also own mainland China. Mainland China calls itself the People's Republic of China, and claims to own Taiwan and various other places.
Skavau@piefed.social · 19 pts · 226d
Taiwan literally can't safely officially repudiate the 'one china' policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
Hamartia@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 226d
Or, maybe, as they have long hoped, the US will put these children of a brutal aristocracy in 'charge' again.
Skavau@piefed.social · 7 pts · 226d
How would the USA do that?
Hamartia@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 226d
They would certainly struggle to do so but that doesn't stop the ROC wishing it would.
Their hopes probably made more geopolitical sense many decades ago.
Skavau@piefed.social · 10 pts · 226d
You got any actual evidence that people in Taiwan actually wish for this in any appreciable numbers?
Hamartia@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 226d
Who, the indigenous Taiwanese, or the cancerous ancestors of brutal monarchists from the mainland?
Skavau@piefed.social · 10 pts · 226d
Sorry, are you calling all people of Han ancestry on Taiwan inherently "cancerous"?
And I am asking for evidence that a significant amount of people, the majority of citizens of Taiwan seriously desire and hope for the mass annexation of China.
I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d
Yes, general knowledge. I agree that Taiwan should invade the mainland and take what is theirs.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 4 pts · 226d
Personally I'd say no, the government of mainland China has it's well known authoritarian tendencies, but it's still much better than a warzone or area under foreign military occupation would be, in the hypothetical case where the Taiwanese government gained the military capacity for this somehow, and Taiwan and the mainland have had decades for cultural divergence to occur, some extremely transformative decades at that, so close as they might still be, it would still be a foreign invasion for china at this point.
grue@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 226d
Based davel admitting ROC owns the mainland.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 9 pts · 226d
Mainland Taiwan?
Rhoeri@piefed.world · 3 pts · 218d
I seriously think that dude’s brain is damaged.
goat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 218d
nah, don't brush off his extremism as a mental impairment, that's unfair. He knows full well how disingenuous he's being.
Rhoeri@piefed.world · 1 pts · 218d
But for him to think this shit makes any sense in realty shows there’s something off.
verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 1 pts · 218d
Skavau@piefed.social · 2 pts · 218d
Okay? It's still the status quo. The status-quo is Taiwan de facto independence. What's your point here?
How did they do that?
What if specific countries want US support?
verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 1 pts · 218d
Skavau@piefed.social · 2 pts · 218d
No, they are not. At all.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 226d
That is the official stance of most of the world including Taiwan itself.
Skavau@piefed.social · 16 pts · 226d
As stated: Taiwan literally can’t safely officially repudiate the ’one china’ policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
In terms of the rest of the world, 'one china' is expressed as a form of strategic ambiguity in reference to Taiwan.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 226d
Yes I'm aware of why everyone says the same thing officially, I'm just stating that everyone says it. Is hardly a unique thing to say.
Skavau@piefed.social · 9 pts · 226d
Right, but I don't think that davel (shown in the OP) is being intellectually honest regarding the 'one china' policy and how the Taiwanese actually see it.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 226d
Perhaps, but the truth remains that both China and Taiwan have always claimed it is part of China. It's not an inaccurate thing to say. So it was a faulty argument to begin with because China was never claiming a Sovereign Nation that had never not been China according to everybody.
It was always a poor argument especially when there are far better versions of that argument to make such as their attempted stealing of territory belonging to the Philippines.