People there however find the concept of Lemmy "too complicated", just because they aren't able to wrap their heads around the concept of having a separated account and app.
One guy even claimed that one can only access communities inside the instance where the account is, thus it's necessary to have an account for each instance.
Lots of misinformation.
It's not like there aren't conceptual difficulties. While they aren't insurmountable, they do exist beyond normal service.
You go to sign up the very first thing you have to do is figure out where, how, and what the implications are. Because there's so many different entry points, each with its own rules social norms etc.
I can see where the additional complication would turn people off up front, expecting that they are going to be dealing with constant headaches after finally arriving.
Wait, you use an app? I am on browser on instance's page. It was difficult getting started, having to sign up and wait for approval after going through instances to choose, I found one that does not censor anything but took a bit of effort many do not have patience for.
Then you get on and wander into bloodthirsty tankies, I see why everyone else blocks them.
Most apps are broken to one degree or another, mostly related to displaying images. I'm sure that's not an easy thing to sell to people looking to join. I have sync, boost, connect, thunder, and summit installed and they all struggle varying amounts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't activitypub essentially have this thing that stuff you see in "All" is the stuff that is cached by your server, on the basis "someone from your server subbed to something on their server"? I mean this shouldn't be a problem for any moderately sized threadiverse server, as you'll see all the popular servers anyway, but idk if that's the case for smaller ones.
Mastodon is bad and doesn't replace twitter. No algorithmic feed = doomed to fail. Threadiverse somehow works only cause upvotes and comments create decent sorting metrics for browsing all subs.
What does "fail" mean? Twitter's algorithm is for entertainment. Mastodon is designed for discussion. Both can exist just fine, but you can't have a platform that does both well.
When i said "designed for discussion" I meant that Mastodon posts are displayed in chronological order instead of sorted by engagement.
I agree that would result in a commercial failure, but Mastodon is not commercial, not does it have an obligation to grow. So it seems to be working very well for the people who do use it.
Chronological order is pure hell if someone shitposts 30 times a day. And it's not like this is a wrong use for social media app to be blocking such a user or something.
After seeing piefed, I think they can divert resources to create an algorithmic feed for mastodon if they want to. Except I don't know how much they are willing to do that. European projects are riding on half anger and half nationalism, not the perfect time for rational thought.
Seems like it would be easier for the moderators there to collaborate with a threadiverse community
We've tried several times to collaborate with the subreddit mods in the past, they never wanted to have a pinned post referring to any Threadiverse community.
They were either power tripping or afraid Reddit would remove them, well seems like it's still happening anyway
The average European is fine (just don't ask them about Romanis), but the people that fill their national subs hold the same views as Trumpers Yet snear at Trumpers.
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running_system@feddit.org · 22 pts · 202d
People there however find the concept of Lemmy "too complicated", just because they aren't able to wrap their heads around the concept of having a separated account and app. One guy even claimed that one can only access communities inside the instance where the account is, thus it's necessary to have an account for each instance. Lots of misinformation.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 10 pts · 202d
A lot of them seem to think it's a clusterfuck and hard to navigate like Mastodon unfortuntely. Misattributed confusion lol.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 201d
It's not like there aren't conceptual difficulties. While they aren't insurmountable, they do exist beyond normal service.
You go to sign up the very first thing you have to do is figure out where, how, and what the implications are. Because there's so many different entry points, each with its own rules social norms etc.
I can see where the additional complication would turn people off up front, expecting that they are going to be dealing with constant headaches after finally arriving.
hector@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 201d
Wait, you use an app? I am on browser on instance's page. It was difficult getting started, having to sign up and wait for approval after going through instances to choose, I found one that does not censor anything but took a bit of effort many do not have patience for.
Then you get on and wander into bloodthirsty tankies, I see why everyone else blocks them.
throws_lemy@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 201d
Lemmy has many mobile apps, mostly on Android. I use Jerboa as my main app, but there are also others like these:
there are others, but I can't remember.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
Voyager and Eternity are also on f-droid
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 200d
Most apps are broken to one degree or another, mostly related to displaying images. I'm sure that's not an easy thing to sell to people looking to join. I have sync, boost, connect, thunder, and summit installed and they all struggle varying amounts.
Mika@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 201d
I've installed Voyager via Obtainium, which checks repo for releases.
running_system@feddit.org · 4 pts · 201d
For iOS there are apps like Voyager for Lemmy or Mlem
Mika@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 201d
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't activitypub essentially have this thing that stuff you see in "All" is the stuff that is cached by your server, on the basis "someone from your server subbed to something on their server"? I mean this shouldn't be a problem for any moderately sized threadiverse server, as you'll see all the popular servers anyway, but idk if that's the case for smaller ones.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 2 pts · 201d
Not sure if it's connect or Ani.social, but I'm starting to get cross posts stacked under one post. That was probably the only frustration I had.
otter@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 202d
What is W?
Seems like it would be easier for the moderators there to collaborate with a threadiverse community
cyrano@piefed.social · 23 pts · 202d
The EU tripping. They are getting off of twitter and want to create a new one named W. Total stupidity. They should leverage on mastodon
https://www.pcmag.com/news/w-emerges-as-x-alternative-aimed-at-combating-systemic-disinformation
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 201d
Oh my god, no... What in the fresh hell is this.
Mika@piefed.ca · -5 pts · 202d
Mastodon is bad and doesn't replace twitter. No algorithmic feed = doomed to fail. Threadiverse somehow works only cause upvotes and comments create decent sorting metrics for browsing all subs.
Kirk@startrek.website · 11 pts · 202d
What does "fail" mean? Twitter's algorithm is for entertainment. Mastodon is designed for discussion. Both can exist just fine, but you can't have a platform that does both well.
Mika@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 202d
What does "designed for discussion" even mean. It has Twitter UI/UX and mirrors most of functionality. It's not stackexchange.
It just happens that mastodon has more IT people now cause other people don't eat the complexity. I've watched people try and be disappointed.
Kirk@startrek.website · 11 pts · 202d
When i said "designed for discussion" I meant that Mastodon posts are displayed in chronological order instead of sorted by engagement.
I agree that would result in a commercial failure, but Mastodon is not commercial, not does it have an obligation to grow. So it seems to be working very well for the people who do use it.
Mika@piefed.ca · -3 pts · 202d
Chronological order is pure hell if someone shitposts 30 times a day. And it's not like this is a wrong use for social media app to be blocking such a user or something.
Kirk@startrek.website · 4 pts · 201d
Yeah I agree, it's designed for discussion, not shitposts.
cinoreus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 202d
After seeing piefed, I think they can divert resources to create an algorithmic feed for mastodon if they want to. Except I don't know how much they are willing to do that. European projects are riding on half anger and half nationalism, not the perfect time for rational thought.
cyrano@piefed.social · 1 pts · 202d
Ultimately they just need a rss feed
Blaze@lazysoci.al · 7 pts · 201d
We've tried several times to collaborate with the subreddit mods in the past, they never wanted to have a pinned post referring to any Threadiverse community.
They were either power tripping or afraid Reddit would remove them, well seems like it's still happening anyway
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 200d
This is exactly why I brought my sub here during the first Reddit migration. I wanted them to be run the same way.
Neuroresurgent@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 201d
That's how I found my way here!
MarkWandering@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 201d
Me too.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 200d
I've recommended Lemmy several times in the last few weeks. I'm waiting to get banned for it lmao
Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 200d
Based, Reddit sucks, the day that Reddit finally dies is not arriving soon enough
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 202d
!buyfromeu@feddit.org
Blaze@lazysoci.al · 2 pts · 201d
!buyeuropean@feddit.uk
dogbert@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 202d
tdawg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 202d
That's true of all of reddit
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 194d
The average European is fine (just don't ask them about Romanis), but the people that fill their national subs hold the same views as Trumpers Yet snear at Trumpers.