That story made no sense. That guy is a glorified forklift, why would you simulate a body/that much intelligence when the computer could just do its job without being capable of resentment?
the same reason people use all purpose solutions, then constrain them to doing a small task instead of making a specific solution that has less capabilities.
You produce the all purpose solution en masse, and that way, there's less steps to using that to do what you want compared to otherwise.
One is that this is her area of expertise, and she's had a lot of experience with Data, so she shouldn't be so confidently saying something like this, which very likely either leads down the path that Data isn't a person, or that people aren't people.
Two is that as an empath, she may be unconsciously bigoted against those whose emotions she cannot sense.
Three may be her actual defense, which is that she's a counselor who is actively counseling a patient. So, it's possible that a counselor may have to say false things to a patient if those things are the things that will help the patient the most.
Back in the day, Isaac Asimov said that by strict definition, a mousetrap was a 'robot.'
It's a machine that can act without a human controlling it, to perform a specific task.
'The Doctor' was designed to provide a wide variety of functions, with access to a vast array of medical/social/spiritual information, plus the capacity to diagnose new diseases.
On the other hand, the entertainment holograms Reg was dealing with were little better than current day AIs like Siri or Alexa.
Agreed. The Doc, Moriarty and Vic Fontaine are definitely sentient beings but that doesn't mean people who go into a holodeck to spar or to fuck are committing murder and sexual slavery.
Even the Doctor wasn't adverse to using basic holodeck characters in the same way as the rest of the crew did. I doubt he'd even have a problem with what the Hirogen were doing if they weren't specifically creating holograms who could experience fear and pain.
Considering the fact that her on again off again boyfriend/lover/husband only had one other love of his life, who WAS a hologram, she should know better.
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negativenull@piefed.world · 31 pts · 188d
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 188d
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 188d
You tell that councilor to come down here and say it to my face.
teft@piefed.social · 22 pts · 188d
My face when someone says photonics aren't people:
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 188d
I seem to recall that gentleman being a touch unstable.
themoken@startrek.website · 7 pts · 188d
That story made no sense. That guy is a glorified forklift, why would you simulate a body/that much intelligence when the computer could just do its job without being capable of resentment?
teft@piefed.social · 8 pts · 188d
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 187d
the same reason people use all purpose solutions, then constrain them to doing a small task instead of making a specific solution that has less capabilities.
You produce the all purpose solution en masse, and that way, there's less steps to using that to do what you want compared to otherwise.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 16 pts · 188d
Three thoughts about Troi.
One is that this is her area of expertise, and she's had a lot of experience with Data, so she shouldn't be so confidently saying something like this, which very likely either leads down the path that Data isn't a person, or that people aren't people.
Two is that as an empath, she may be unconsciously bigoted against those whose emotions she cannot sense.
Three may be her actual defense, which is that she's a counselor who is actively counseling a patient. So, it's possible that a counselor may have to say false things to a patient if those things are the things that will help the patient the most.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 188d
The advice she's giving is specifically true for this situation and not generally true of all holograms.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 188d
Also, if the Federation acknowledged sentience in the AIs that Barclay created, oh boy. Straight to jail for Barclay, I bet.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 5 pts · 188d
I'm not sure that you can boil down an old philosophical matter so easily, regardless.
I like to bring up the zombie thought experiment in these situations.
teft@piefed.social · 8 pts · 188d
I wonder if that means she doesn’t consider ferengi as people since they’re also impervious to betazed telepathy.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 188d
I know a lot of Ferengi. They aren't people. Not until DS9 at least.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 11 pts · 188d
Back in the day, Isaac Asimov said that by strict definition, a mousetrap was a 'robot.'
It's a machine that can act without a human controlling it, to perform a specific task.
'The Doctor' was designed to provide a wide variety of functions, with access to a vast array of medical/social/spiritual information, plus the capacity to diagnose new diseases.
On the other hand, the entertainment holograms Reg was dealing with were little better than current day AIs like Siri or Alexa.
imho
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 188d
The B
iynars would beg to differ, but I understand the argument.Edit: spelling
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 7 pts · 188d
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bynar#Appearances
ACCCCCCCTualy it's 'Bynars'
[you see what you made me do???]
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 188d
Small_Quasar@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 188d
Agreed. The Doc, Moriarty and Vic Fontaine are definitely sentient beings but that doesn't mean people who go into a holodeck to spar or to fuck are committing murder and sexual slavery.
Even the Doctor wasn't adverse to using basic holodeck characters in the same way as the rest of the crew did. I doubt he'd even have a problem with what the Hirogen were doing if they weren't specifically creating holograms who could experience fear and pain.
AngryishHumanoid@lemmynsfw.com · 11 pts · 188d
Considering the fact that her on again off again boyfriend/lover/husband only had one other love of his life, who WAS a hologram, she should know better.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 188d
Good 'ole Minuet.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 188d
“Computer, deactivate iguana.”
sundray@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 188d
(Sorry for the re-run, but I couldn't help myself.)
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 188d
Photons be free!
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 188d
Fun Fake Fact: The working title for this episode was originally "D&D 3.5"
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 185d
I wonder what Vic Fontaine would say.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
"That crazy dame can can argue against my sentience 'til the cows come home. In the meantime, I get to experience my own existential dread."