cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1841865/french-president-expresses-european-solidarity-with-spain-after-us-threats-over-madrids
French President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday voiced solidarity with Spain following recent threats by US President Donald Trump over Madrid's stance on Iran. > > Macron has just spoken with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez “to express France’s European solidarity in response to the recent threats of economic coercion that Spain was targeted with yesterday," the French Presidency told broadcaster BFMTV. > > European Council President Antonio Costa also expressed the EU's solidarity with Madrid and noted that the bloc "will always ensure that the interests of its Member States are fully protected."
28 Comments
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 103 pts · 169d
How about he shows Europe's solidarity by not joining an illegal, brutal, vicious war waged by two blood thirsty criminals?
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 169d
The carrier is there strictly in a defensive posture. no? I'm not aware of France being involved in any attacks on Iran.
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 169d
Macron explicitly said that France was involved because of defense treaties with petromonarchies. That means that French weapons and soldiers will be involved in disabling Iranian war capability, i.e. bombing them.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 169d
Are you suggesting they simply ignore the defence treaties they signed with allies? Who do you think they are, Russia?
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 169d
What business do the French have in the Middle Esast that their head of state signs defense treaties with petromonarchies? What's in there for French people? What's in there for French values?
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 169d
I think mostly selling Rafales, but I'm not French so I can't speak to their motivations when choosing who to vote for.
i078@europe.pub · 3 pts · 169d
Bombing them and taking out offensive weapons is not the same thing.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 169d
It is, when Iran is using these weapons to push American allies in the region to try and convince the Burgers to stop murdering them, and to take out military installations that help the Burgers kill.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 169d
If so, that's an idiotic strategy. It would be like Palestinians suicide-bombing EU countries to make them stop Israel's war.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
Not really, closer to suicide-bombing Gulf countries. Neither the EU or America have any skin in the game (for them it's just another far away military fun and profitable venture), they're not neighbours of Iran, whilst the Gulf countries are.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 168d
OK then, but that's still idiotic.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 169d
There is no such thing as a "defensive" aircraft carrier. Also they said they will strike Iranian targets to disable their missile capabilities.
JayTreeman@fedia.io · 6 pts · 169d
Iran has been hitting military targets and other infrastructure that's supporting military targets. What exactly would they be defending? France is out of range.
Tja@programming.dev · 0 pts · 169d
Are embassies military targets or other infrastructure supporting military targets? How about gas terminals?
Are hospitals supporting military targets because they heal soldiers? Are schools military targets because kids can become soldiers?
JayTreeman@fedia.io · 3 pts · 169d
Embassies, yes. Check out what the US embassy was doing in Tehran during the 70s. Gas terminals, yes. But also Iran has been claiming the strike in SA wasn't them. Hospitals, no. I haven't seen anything about Iran striking hospitals. US and Israel regularly strike hospitals. Schools, no. Once again, Iran isn't, but you can't say the same about the agressors
Tja@programming.dev · -3 pts · 169d
So anything that Iran hits is automatically a valid target... How come it doesn't work the other way?
JayTreeman@fedia.io · 3 pts · 169d
Are hospitals and school girls valid targets? One side is acting defensively. If you've been following this conflict for a while, you'd know that Iran has done as much as possible to avoid this conflict. Their back is against the wall and they're swinging.
Tja@programming.dev · 0 pts · 169d
Absolutely not valid targets, bordering on war crimes.
Which in no way justifies attacking civilians on the other side. Hotels, airports, embassies...
frongt@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 169d
Gas terminals can be. The others, no.
Embassies are often safehouses for intelligence and espionage, but that doesn't justify bombing them.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 169d
I see the geopolitics understanders have logged on...
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 169d
Macron wants to look tough for votes.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 169d
Macron can't run for the next presidential election.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
Thanks for correcting my ignorance.
nkat2112@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 169d
Nice! Merci!