He wasn't falsely accused, he just claimed he was, to protect his memory for his family. There's enough evidence for me personally to convict him, starting with the notebook that had the date of the meeting with the bribers torn out. Just that one page.
Also, while I am... unsure of what to think about the whole thing, I do recall that basically, if he killed himself instead of going to jail, somehow, that ended up so that his family would still be elligible for his pension pay out, or something like that.
Since Dwyer died in office, his widow Joanne was able to collect full survivor benefits totaling more than $1.28 million (equivalent to about $3.63 million in 2025), which at the time was the largest death benefit payment ever made by the Pennsylvania Municipal Retirement System. If Dwyer had been sentenced, state law would have prohibited the payment of his state-provided pension benefits.[14][100] A spokesman for Dwyer suggested that he may have killed himself to preserve the pension benefits for his family, whose finances had been ruined by legal defense costs.[101]
yeah, there are events that cause you to lose your sense of shame. I am confident krasnov has been through at least one of them, given the behavior he has displayed and the level of wealth he was born into.
Narcissism is a spectrum, but at the far end of that spectrum, the narcissist is unable to feel anything except existential dread at the fact that they cannot feel anything, which is relieved by seeing reactions from other people, which is called “supply”. Trump is is at absolutely pathological levels of narcissism, and thus clearly cannot feel shame. The most we can make him feel is a supply withdrawal.
In hindsight, he probably did it not out of any shame, but because he wanted to go out in a way that might make people view him as a tragic, misunderstood figure. If Epstein did kill himself, it was probably for the same reason. Narcissists, both of them.
I had read that his wife had some condition that needed health care, and if he were convicted and removed from office, she would lose that coverage. However, because he killed himself before that, she remained covered under the government plan being his widow.
The song was written about the public suicide of Pennsylvania state treasurer R. Budd Dwyer on January 22, 1987, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Dwyer had been convicted of bribery charges in December 1986, and was expected to receive a lengthy sentence from U.S. District Court Judge Malcolm Muir. Professing his innocence and decrying the legal system, Dwyer shot and killed himself with a .357 Magnum revolver during a live televised press conference.
Part of what made it so memorable - and inspired the song - is that school was cancelled that day so a bunch of kids were watching the press conference.
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village604@adultswim.fan · 98 pts · 153d
Is this the guy who killed himself after the speech?
Carmakazi@piefed.social · 98 pts · 153d
Yeah, he got caught in some sort of fraud and sucked on a .357 on live TV.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 153d
Iirc he was falsely accused/a scapegoat or something
Sidenote, this came up in my search while I was refreshing my memory
yucandu@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 153d
He wasn't falsely accused, he just claimed he was, to protect his memory for his family. There's enough evidence for me personally to convict him, starting with the notebook that had the date of the meeting with the bribers torn out. Just that one page.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 40 pts · 153d
Also, while I am... unsure of what to think about the whole thing, I do recall that basically, if he killed himself instead of going to jail, somehow, that ended up so that his family would still be elligible for his pension pay out, or something like that.
Yep, ok, I'm not nuts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer
MacaqueAndCheese@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 153d
Man that sounds delicious, why do these politicians these days have to be such picky eaters
dumbass@piefed.social · 7 pts · 152d
We could force feed them, hypothetically speaking.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 5 pts · 152d
The French could bring the knives!
expatriado@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 153d
Fetterman, if you're listening...
zd9@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 153d
Please let's see the current leader do this when he realizes the child rape walls are closing in on him and there's no more escape
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 53 pts · 153d
He would need to feel shame of any kind
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 153d
yeah, there are events that cause you to lose your sense of shame. I am confident krasnov has been through at least one of them, given the behavior he has displayed and the level of wealth he was born into.
Iunnrais@piefed.social · 8 pts · 153d
Narcissism is a spectrum, but at the far end of that spectrum, the narcissist is unable to feel anything except existential dread at the fact that they cannot feel anything, which is relieved by seeing reactions from other people, which is called “supply”. Trump is is at absolutely pathological levels of narcissism, and thus clearly cannot feel shame. The most we can make him feel is a supply withdrawal.
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 152d
Or life withdrawal
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 153d
It's not what he said but how he said it
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 19 pts · 153d
We should bring that back.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 153d
Norm Macdonald thought this guy killing himself was hilarious
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 153d
ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 153d
Good shot man!
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 153d
Would love to see more of this type of statesmanship
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 152d
Ask not what your country can do for you, but how soon you blow your brains out.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 153d
In hindsight, he probably did it not out of any shame, but because he wanted to go out in a way that might make people view him as a tragic, misunderstood figure. If Epstein did kill himself, it was probably for the same reason. Narcissists, both of them.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 153d
I had read that his wife had some condition that needed health care, and if he were convicted and removed from office, she would lose that coverage. However, because he killed himself before that, she remained covered under the government plan being his widow.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 152d
Once again a problem solvable by a functional government
yucandu@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 153d
Same thing corrupt cops do when they're caught, they off themselves and make it look like they went out a hero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sean_Suiter
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 153d
I’m so lost can someone tell me who he is
edm@thelemmy.club · 32 pts · 153d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Man_Nice_Shot
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 153d
Damnnn off of bribery charges? Our politicians used to have some semblance of decency
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 153d
Part of what made it so memorable - and inspired the song - is that school was cancelled that day so a bunch of kids were watching the press conference.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 12 pts · 153d
Imagine such a thing as criminal charges for a US politician today. Different times.
Chozo@fedia.io · 8 pts · 153d
This is Budd Dwyer, who ended his life after giving a speech. You can read about the event here.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 4 pts · 152d
You also used to be able to watch the video on YouTube, but now we live in a PG-13 society
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 153d
he has such a way with words ☺️
dumbass@piefed.social · 8 pts · 153d
He had his constituents dreams in the back of his head.
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 6 pts · 153d
What you could have taught me. I could have saved some face.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 153d
Hey man, nice shot!
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
Too soon.
Widdershins@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 152d
He did it on a snow day
macke49@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 152d
Oh a pic from 1987