I admit this is something I do not know much about, not something I had thought of previously to going all open source, so my question might make sense, or it might not.
So, I'm currently writing a novel and, thus, making heavy use of text processors. Since I switched to Debian and to LibreOffice as well, I also decided to change my novel document format from Transitional OOXML to ODT moved by philosophy and belief in open standards. Yes, I was previously writing it on M. Word so that was the default doc format and my font was Calibri for most of the text. This was not a deliberate decision and was also not intended to be final, but something I would think about later on.
Well, now it is later on, and what's sparked my curiosity has been all this change I've been doing. So, when I opened LibreOffice for the first time and saw 'Liberation Serif' as the default font, it got thinking: are font letters open/free/libre, in the sense open source apps and formats are? Are they owned to some capacity by someone, or is it safe to assume that most fonts bundled with text editors have an open licence? If not, is there something I should be wary about this if I care about open standards?
Thank you in advance for any insight you can provide :)
14 Comments
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 19 pts · 162d
The Liberation fonts are open source and licensed under the SIL Open Font License.
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 162d
Thank you for the info; I imagined Liberation Self in particular was indeed open source and it's good to get to know more about it.
lime@feddit.nu · 13 pts · 162d
most fonts are very much not free, but in a "rights" sense rather than in a "standards" sense. since fonts are works of art rather than technical designs, open source licenses don't really apply. when printing a book you typically select a font and buy a license for that font that only allows you to use it, not modify it.
in fact, most of the web is built with proprietary fonts that keep being used in spite of their licenses because the alternative would break everything.
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 3 pts · 162d
That sounds actually huge and was not at all aware of it. Definitely will be looking into using open/libre ones whenever possible.
lime@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 162d
i'd say using proprietary fonts is okay. the format itself is open, paying artists is always good, and there are some gorgeous fonts out there.
brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 162d
I was reading into this recently too. My understanding is that Debian + LibreOffice install the Liberation Fonts by default so usually you don't need to worry about documents using Ariel and Helvetica (Liberation are metrically compatible replacements).
After further reading I ended up also installing the Crosextra fonts, the advantage of those two is that they are metrically compatible with Microsoft's Calibri and Cambria. Once installed in theory LibreOffice should be able to open documents that had those Microsoft fonts and auto replace them with the open versions. (there's a setting in LibreOffice to force font replacements but it didn't seem like I needed to do that in my case)
Some more info on that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croscore_fonts#Crosextra_fonts
The Crosextra font packages in Debian
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/fonts-crosextra-carlito
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/fonts-crosextra-caladea
Also interestingly - if you do really, really want some of Microsoft's fonts they are free to install but I don't think you actually get a license to distribute/publish with them. I didn't bother installing these but could be useful for someone with tons of old MS Office documents with lots of random MS fonts.
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/ttf-mscorefonts-installer (need to enable contrib in your apt settings to be able to apt install those)
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 162d
Thank you! I actually rather not use proprietary fonts if possible
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 162d
They can be. Google Fonts is a good source for freely licensed fonts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 162d
SUSE released a set of completely open source sans serif font for targeted at os-level fonts. It is a pretty good font and I started using it on many of my systems.
habitualTartare@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 162d
Fonts do have patents and copywrite laws as "works of art" or in the methods to convert what you see on a computer to your printer or whatnot. For example here's the history of Calibri:
https://www.myfonts.com/collections/calibri-ms-font-microsoft-corporation
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 162d
Thank you! That's great insight. It looks like, even though I was wanting to escape from Microsoft, I was still using their products in the form of fonts lol
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 162d
Despite all the fucked up shit they did, there are some significant contribution that they did. For me, it helps to not take things personally and just use what works.
Redkey@programming.dev · 1 pts · 162d
A friendly heads-up: I think you mean "Liberation Serif". Serif and sans-serif ("without serif") are common categories for fonts.
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 162d
OMG I just realized about that hahahaha