A gay journalist says he was briefly detained by security after he booed President Donald Trump during the opening night of the musical Chicago at the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C.
Journalist detained for booing Trump at Kennedy Center 'Chicago' performance
https://www.advocate.com/news/kennedy-center-journalist-detained-trump
31 Comments
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 147d
Freedom of speech in USA is a joke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index
You have to scroll quite a way down to get to USA at number 57, with Sierra Leone above and Gambia right after.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 147d
Similar situation with literacy.
We are an un-developing nation.
northernlights@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 147d
And access to health care. And transportation.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 147d
Conservatives have always valued the 2A over the 1A because they know violence or the threat of it can intimidate or suppress what they don’t want to hear. So remember, you’re not going to win with verbal appeals, condemnation, facts, or strongly worded letters. If option one is failing, use option two.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 147d
I'm confused what "detained" means in this context. The article Advocate is reporting on is from the Washington Blade, and it says Ramirez booed once Trump showed up in the balcony box, was "briefly detained by security" until the lights dimmed and the play started, and Ramirez watched the play. Does it mean that Ramirez was given the option by security to either leave or sit outside the theater until the play actually started?
Of note is that Ramirez is a journalist, but he wasn't acting as one when this happened. Maybe other people get different vibes, but I feel like the title implies that – since a journalist being detained usually conjures imagery of arresting someone actively reporting something for a news outlet to silence them.
dgdft@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 147d
He addresses that directly FWIW
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
I did read the whole article, and I don't feel like that excerpt addresses it at all. He says "being questioned about speech", but what that questioning entailed or whether he was allowed to leave (in which case, that's not actually detainment) is never addressed.
(Aside to the detainment question: e.g. libraries are government-funded; I can still be kicked out of them if I start yelling in one. The Kennedy Center is a public–private partnership, and this was private security, but it's not like rules still don't apply if I walked into a fully federally owned government building. I think his argument that his being kicked out of the theater temporarily for loudly booing before the show "undermines the First Amendment" because the Center receives federal funding is nonsense, even though I wholeheartedly support his booing. He notes that there was positive disruption like clapping from others, but it doesn't "undermine the First Amendment" that he was singled out to temporarily leave.)
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 147d
It doesn't matter, he was prevented by officials from expressing his opinion. That means his freedom of speech was oppressed.
avg@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 147d
The first Amendment protects you from the government, I looked into it and it looks like Kennedy center employees are not federal employees so if they decide that your speech in a private place is not allowed, they can kick you out.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 147d
So if Kennedy center is not under federal control, how can Trump change the name to include Trump?
Clearly there's a strong federal influence.
But it doesn't have to be federal, it can also be state or even county officials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Center
So you are clearly wrong that they are not federal.
avg@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 147d
Madison420@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
Receives federal funding is all you needed to know they can't restrict freedom of speech/press.
avg@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 147d
That's definitely something that could be argued in court I'm not a lawyer though.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 146d
No need it's clearly established.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 147d
"His freedom of speech was oppressed" in functionally the same sense that it is if I get banned from a social media platform or kicked out of a library for making a disturbance. It's not even remotely a First Amendment issue, and him citing the 1A is bonkers.
I think in another life you'd be supporting those obnoxious, far-right "First Amendment auditors" who walk into e.g. a library or USPS building, start making a scene, and think that being kicked out means their constitutional rights have been impinged. Not because you have ill intent but because you fundamentally do not understand what the 1A does or is supposed to do.
JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 147d
it really depends on the context in which he was booing. Reading the article, in this context he did nothing wrong. If you can cheer, you can boo. He was not causing a disturbance.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 147d
Sure, and that's a fine opinion to have. I disagree they need to be treated the same way, yet I support his booing regardless of the consequences, and if it were up to me, Trump would be barred from the venue anyway and no booing would happen (not that he functionally could be right now as chairman).
It doesn't make what happened to him even remotely a constitutional issue. This isn't even a little ambiguous; you'd just have to entirely not understand or willfully, grossly misinterpret the 1A to drag it into this.
Jackcooper@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 147d
Haha, safe spaces are very much real in 2026
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 12 pts · 147d
Safe spaces for me, but not for thee.
RosaLuxemburgsGhost@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 147d
The ruling class has always made sure their spaces are safe. They control all of the machines of propaganda.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 147d
The News: "La La La, totally not fascism, now more sports!"
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 147d
Emphasis mine.
I have no issue with gay people, but why was it relevant to the article to call out the guys sexual orientation? Based on the article it didn't seem to have anything to do with why he was prevented from exercising his first amendment rights. Is it just because the outlet is focused on gay, lesbian, and trans topics primarily, so they feel the need to bring orientation up anytime they cover something even if it has nothing to do with those topics?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 147d
Yeah, the advocate tends to include when a person is gay even when irrelevant to the issue because it's relevant to the purpose of the publication.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 146d
Because there's a certain segment of society that is fine with the constitutional rights being stepped on as long as it's a group they don''t like, such as "the gays."
Fucking racist ass Nazis
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 147d
What happened to the free speech maximalist/fuck your feelings crowd?
I thought they were all about the FREEZED PEACH and didn't let feelings affect them?
Turns out they were full of shit on the free speech and are the most delicate of flowers to ever grace the planet.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 147d
I thought the Kennedy Center was closed for 2 years?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 147d
Now it's the Robert F Kennedy Jr. Center.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
Might be shutting down later. Not uncommon to announce future closures. Or, maybe, they opened it for a super special event.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
Supposedly it's not closing until July
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 146d
Lol pathetic man gets butt hurt like a 10 year old. Grow thicker skin and be a man, you child
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 147d
You can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 147d