What to Know About the 25th Amendment as Lawmakers Call for Trump’s Removal

That would be something. Raping a whole bunch of kids, and women and countries and businesses is fine... but they draw the line at swearing on Easter...

Christians are fucking strange.

It doesn't seem like there's an especially substantial call for the 25th Amendment, buuuuuut the 25th isn't strictly a downgrade to impeachment:

• First, yes, impeachment is only 50% House, 66.7% Senate. Boom, out, donezo. Taking the numbers alone without any other context, that's easier than VP, majority of department heads, 66.7% Senate, 66.7% House (which is even more far-right than the Senate).
• However, when invoking the 25th, the VP and a majority of department heads are the ones who initiate the proceedings, and there's an active, visible struggle for power within the Executive Branch.
• If the cabinet were to effectively throw a coup (because let's be honest: none of the ghouls in Trump's cabinet give a flying fuck about his ability to execute the law and would not be in it for the betterment of the US), then it gives a major swing in credibility compared to just a House impeachment. This is especially true because Section 4 has never been invoked.
• I would argue for this reason that, while removal of Trump by Congress via impeachment is functionally impossible, public opinion would swing wildly if Trump's cabinet started 25th Amendment proceedings, and it also puts the initial onus on Trump to establish that he's capable rather than the onus on Congress to establish that he's not (or rather, that he committed "high crimes and misdemeanors").
• Thus, you can maybe swing for the fences with the 25th if you can convince enough of Trump's cabinet that Trump is a sinking ship (and thus Vance becomes POTUS, debatably in his own self-interest). Impeachment isn't overcoming the numbers game, but the 25th could (just potentially) change the numbers.
• It'd be divide-and-conquer: the Democrats all want Trump out of office ASAP (obviously, because they're sane), while the Republicans in the House and Senate would be reckoning with siding with Trump or siding with his cabinet (and whoever their supporters are) – all while the general public bleeds remaining faith in Trump as even his cabinet are challenging his fitness, and while the question at hand is a lower bar than "high crimes and misdemeanors". In an impeachment trial, it would just be "Democrats or Republicans" to the Republicans.

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TL;DR: The argument for the 25th is that, if you can get the ball rolling, it might actually be possible compared to impeachment proceedings which currently, inarguably, are not.

One rebuttal I've heard in a previous discussion of this is that Congressional Republicans might have more appetite for removing him for "medical incapacity" than "high crimes and misdemeanors" because it allows the party to save face.

Impeachment is a political tool, and doesn’t change anything unless removed. They won’t do that.

He ignored impeachments

No they need to tell the story from all point of views. Don't you ever think about the kid's shooters mental state? /s

For that you need journalists who get paid by someone else than Bezos or Ellison. Something that does not exist, as Pichai (Google) and Nadella (Bing) censor the search results in a way, so they never see any light of day.

8 million people showed up for no kings. You are telling me we couldn't get a chunk of them to follow a senator around to remind them who they work for?

I’ve written all Dem candidates for Statewide and Federal office in my State, asking what they’ll do to punish these folks and strip them of their ill gotten gains. I made clear no response = no vote, primary or general.

ONE candidate responded.

I have no faith Dems will do shit.

Eyup. I often write here that citizens respect the constitution, patriots defend it, and traitors violate it. In the us anyway.

Well based on the presidents actions, all governance is done over social media... maybe they're trying to follow suit?

He had one whole Scaramucci to do something, and he didn't.

I’d say the recent spate of firings has brought him back into the news.

Actually it just might. Republicans need to drive down the blue vote before the midterms. Voter suppression measures aren’t enough. Trump keeps threatening to die but hasn’t. If they remove him before the midterms, it could remove the motivation for dems to show up.

They may just feed Trump to his own leopards.

But but but this time is different!

How can you possibly know that?

You can't, so why pretend that you do?

What you are ignoring us that the new Congress will be in place by then, and as long as the election isn't ratfucked the Democrats will probably gain a slim House majority. This means not only that the Democratic Speaker will be third in line for the Presidency, but also that the Democratic House (and the Senate)will have to approve whoever Vance picks as his VP. They could just sit on it and not do anything, in which case the VP slot remains vacant, and that House Speaker is now second in line (plus, ties in the Senate can't be broken, which can be handy if Republicans still hold that.)

So, they may pull the trigger* early if they don't think the Congressional election is in the bag

*= Hey, FBI, that's only a metaphor....

Which is a good thing...

trump in office being obviously crazy will depress R turnout because their candidates have to say they agree with the crazy shit.

Dems will have a lot of "free" votes because they just have to point out how bad shit is.

Vance's personal pursuit for max power is going to fuck their movement over.

It's why we need to start making sure every Fem.politicians values party/country over their own personal.power.

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