"I don't-I don't wanna send my friends off to die! I just wanna be an ensign. If it was good enough for Sito, then it's good enough for me."
"In the past, Klingons believed humans to be weak and easily defeated. But your species has proved its toDuj. Sito was a warrior. You do not honor her."
"You didn't know her!"
"Do you follow every order from your commanders?"
"No!"
"Sito made her choice. You want to solve puzzles and mysteries? Your friend gave her life to protect that. [scoffs] She would not approve of your actions."
You say that like it’s a bad thing. There’s a bunch of two parters I like better than most the movies. Add in a bigger budget and that sounds amazing to me.
Yeah, except it sucked in general and more so as a movie. It felt like it should have been slotted in as a random mid-season two parter, not even a season finale slot.
It's quite a visceral look at how radicalization works, and how groups manipulate members and potential members through control of language, artificial camaraderie and especially, having an enemy.
And the end is amazing. When Chakotay sees the scary looking alien (can't remember the species) on Voyager, all that fear and hatred still comes back to him even though he knows he was manipulated. Because being de-radicalized isn't just like flipping a switch. It's easier to learn to hate than unlearn it.
Obviously it could be better - as with most Voyager eps to be honest - but it's definitely one of the ones I look forward to most on a rewatch.
Edit: I glimpsed a comment, now nullified: the nemesis is the Kradin
18 Comments
mercano@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 135d
“Tonight in Ten Forward they’re showing Lower Decks!”
“I’ll bring the popcorn, this’ll be fun.”
“They’re showing the TNG episode.”
danhab99@programming.dev · 15 pts · 135d
I'll bring some wings and a beer, I loved that episode
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 135d
Both are good!
hopesdead@startrek.website · 5 pts · 135d
Look, Mariner experienced deep and long lasting grief from the death of her friend. Everything is a struggle for her.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
As it should be.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 135d
"Tonight in Ten-Forward they're showing First Contact!"
"They're showing the episode where Riker bangs Lilith, not the movie."
sobbing
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 135d
Honestly Insurection felt like a 2 part episode rather than a movie.
Repelle@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 135d
You say that like it’s a bad thing. There’s a bunch of two parters I like better than most the movies. Add in a bigger budget and that sounds amazing to me.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 135d
Yeah, except it sucked in general and more so as a movie. It felt like it should have been slotted in as a random mid-season two parter, not even a season finale slot.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 135d
Insurrection is a character assassination story, so its bad no matter how you slice it.
usernamefactory@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 135d
Yeah, TNG already did a better job in less than half the time with Journeys End. And that wasn’t even a particularly great episode.
climbing_caker@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 135d
In Star Trek: Insurrection nobody acknowledges that Worf recently lost his wife.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 5 pts · 135d
I don’t believe that is anyone’s favorite VOY episode.
OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d
It's definitely one of mine!
It's quite a visceral look at how radicalization works, and how groups manipulate members and potential members through control of language, artificial camaraderie and especially, having an enemy.
And the end is amazing. When Chakotay sees the scary looking alien (can't remember the species) on Voyager, all that fear and hatred still comes back to him even though he knows he was manipulated. Because being de-radicalized isn't just like flipping a switch. It's easier to learn to hate than unlearn it.
Obviously it could be better - as with most Voyager eps to be honest - but it's definitely one of the ones I look forward to most on a rewatch.
Edit: I glimpsed a comment, now nullified: the nemesis is the Kradin
renormalizer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 134d
You don't fathom the Kradin beast?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 135d
Is that the one where Rock "The Dwayne" Johnson bodyslams Seven of Nine, or is that the one with all the glimpses?
Ydna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
Tonight in Ten Forward, they're showing the Best Wars episode Nemesis!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d