China develops iron battery 80 times cheaper than lithium that can last 16 years. It provides a budget-friendly, high-endurance answer for the world’s massive energy storage needs.

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/new-all-iron-battery-sustains-6000-cycles

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2095495622003485

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Akh@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Meanwhile, Tump fired the entire national science board

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 126d (1 reply)

Kid Rock is working on a new battery. Game changer.

ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 125d

Hook a generator up to Republican flip flopping hypocrisy, and we could power the universe.

huquad@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 127d (1 reply)

Revolutionary new battery idea that will overtake lithium ion huh? Throw it on the pile

zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 126d

For grid-storage they may very well be...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_redox_flow_battery
is e.g. in place in Sacramaneto, CA with a storage of 2 GWh and a maximum power of 200 MW.
For grid-storage durability and ovrerall cost efficiency are more important than energy density so I expect redox flow batteries to overtake lithium ion based batteries there.

diykeyboards@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 127d (3 replies)

I've seen this article every two weeks for the last 15 years.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Ehh I follow the battery news well enough to know it's different this time.

The way you can tell is that it isn't coming from the MIT press release department.

BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 126d (1 reply)

Honestly, it's a good time for batteries and solar panels.

I think we're just going to let out current infrastructure rot out from under us and while house generators run on gas.

I mean, we could modernize our infrastructure, but we can barely keep bridges standing and I'm not sure if utilities are communism or not. I suspect that they are.

The lithium iron phosphate is already pretty impressive, just a bit pricey.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d

Anything "flow" is going to be game changing to an extent I think let readers really barely understand. It turns energy storage into something as boring and understood as the refrigeration cycle. Flow means storage at scale becomes trivial.

stumu415@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Meanwhile the US has a president who doesn't understand how magnets work.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 126d

Magic is an understanding.

FatVegan@leminal.space · 3 pts · 125d

To be fair, neither do i. Or probably most people. But he fires people who do.

ms_lane@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 126d

The actual story buried at the end of a Sino #1 article-

In the United States, companies like Oregon-based ESS Tech Inc. are already deploying iron flow systems for tech giants like Google.

However, some of these existing designs could struggle with “dendrites” — tiny, needle-like crystals that can short-circuit the battery. The Chinese team believes they have leapfrogged these hurdles by using an alkaline-based chemistry and their new molecular “shield.”

Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 127d (2 replies)

But at what cost?

ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 126d

Less?

ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 125d

Iron batteries are big and heavy. Not good for portable applications.

HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org · 1 pts · 127d (1 reply)

By the way, what happens with redox-flow battery technology?

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 126d (5 replies)

Ooohhhh revolutionary battery article #15592508

I'm sure this one won't be bullshit and will come into production tomorrow, right?

htrayl@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 126d

This is just a shallow, cynical, anti-intellectual remark.

Sodium ion batteries are already hitting production.

Iron flow and vanadium redox batteries also already exist in the real world.

Grid and residential battery installations are happening at a rapidly accelerating pace.

Lithium ion battery prices have dropped something like 90% over the last 15 years.

Battery technology is improving at dramatic rate, both lithium ion and non lithium ion solutions.

yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 126d

the article literally links to how BYD is putting this stuff into production https://interestingengineering.com/energy/catl-ev-battery-7-minute-charge

RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 126d (2 replies)

You seem

...

Bitter

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 126d (1 reply)

Because?

RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 126d

Who knows

HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 126d (10 replies)
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yogthos@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 126d

Weird how Americans have such poor reading comprehension. Oh wait, I guess it's your education system.

zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 126d

They seem to have tackled the issue of dendrite forming.
That would reduce maintenance on iron redox flow batteries sigificantly if true.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 126d

So you did not read the article. At all.

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 126d (6 replies)

Spamoflage

I'm starting to see that China may have a large presence on lemmy. It would make sense with the .ml groups. You can see a lot of pro China stuff here plus lemmy is a generator against things like AI which benefits China.

RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 126d (3 replies)

If people who enjoy futuristic tech and hate AI slop are now on the side of China, sign my ass up

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d (2 replies)

I think they are. I think tech forums are essentially places to convince people to hate tech. Hate progress. Meanwhile other countries embrace these new technologies and develop, build and iterate.

orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 126d (1 reply)

Meanwhile other countries embrace these new technologies and develop, build and iterate.

Like China?

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d

Yes

Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 126d (1 reply)

If you don't want to see so much China and Russia-glazing, just block yogthos and jackeroni, that should cut it down about 40%. I personally don't mind agendaposting because I can tell from the get-go who it's coming from. There are prolific anti-China agendaposters too, for example from an account named Scotty.

orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 126d

Or leave our instances