In God's case, though, he literally made it all happen on purpose. It's a "stop hitting yourself" kinda situation, only entirely sincere in the belief that they are hitting themselves
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?"
I used to think that omniscient and omnipotent god would directly conflict with the idea of free will, which is pretty important for this whole salvation thing. The alternative being that god created you so you would go to hell/heaven and there is nothing you can do to change it, right?
But as I've thought about it, I can't really get around the idea that an omniscient and omnipotent being could choose to not know something. It seems like there would be no direct conflict with omniscience as long as the things you don't know, you could know at any moment, should you decide to.
It's all academic really since this is one of the least ridiculous things about religion and the idea of supernatural beings having control over our lives. But it doesn't feel as ironclad a contradiction as I once thought. I'm curious if others in this community can weigh in with a rebuttal.
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MsPenguinette@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 3y
Relatable. I get pissed about shit I saw coming all the time
irmoz@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 3y
In God's case, though, he literally made it all happen on purpose. It's a "stop hitting yourself" kinda situation, only entirely sincere in the belief that they are hitting themselves
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3y
Gonna be real, I get pissed at a lot of shit I knowingly caused as well
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 3y
God cannot be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.
It contradicts its own existence.
DRx@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3y
-Epicurus
gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3y
I used to think that omniscient and omnipotent god would directly conflict with the idea of free will, which is pretty important for this whole salvation thing. The alternative being that god created you so you would go to hell/heaven and there is nothing you can do to change it, right?
But as I've thought about it, I can't really get around the idea that an omniscient and omnipotent being could choose to not know something. It seems like there would be no direct conflict with omniscience as long as the things you don't know, you could know at any moment, should you decide to.
It's all academic really since this is one of the least ridiculous things about religion and the idea of supernatural beings having control over our lives. But it doesn't feel as ironclad a contradiction as I once thought. I'm curious if others in this community can weigh in with a rebuttal.
tactoid@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3y
He’s not mad, he’s just disappointed.
agent_flounder@lemmy.one · 5 pts · 3y
I mean, maybe he should try harder next time.
Thteven@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3y
Not surprising, I'm pretty disappointed with everything too.
TheLurker@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3y
Aiyub@feddit.de · 2 pts · 3y
Father, son and holy ghost
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 3y
This got a hearty laugh over here. Well done.
MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 3y
God's refrain on humanity: "This shit again."
edit: and for my German friends
God's refrain in France, "Allo, Mes Chers!"