Most Swiss back initiative to cap population at 10 million, poll shows
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28 Comments
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works · 57 pts · 138d
This is a ploy by right wingers to keep out immigrants. It's a proposal made by right-wing parties.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 33 pts · 138d
Yet again, leftists refuse to acknowledge a problem that bothers a majority of the population voting for right wing solutions. Is it a "ploy" if the majority of the Swiss agree to i? Who wants to live in an over populated place?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 137d
Lots of people in 1960s US were bothered by schools being integrated. Perhaps even the majority in many southern states. Does that mean we should have pandered to them?
Just because some idiots think it's a problem, doesn't mean that we need to listen to them.
misk@piefed.social · 1 pts · 137d
An indigenous self governing community implemented population per land limit. Under other framing many would applaud it and I don’t see an issue with this per se. Of course there’s a matter of western countries benefitting heavily from industrialisation which is leading to a climate catastrophe and upcoming brazillion of migrants.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 137d
You mean Switzerland? The one with all the secret bank accounts and Nazi gold?
Yeah, there's NO way that dark money from foreign sources could possibly affect the politicians, the media, and therefore the overton window in any underhanded ways!
Your insistence on giving the benefit of the doubt as to the motivations behind nakedly xenophobic policy based on a severe misunderstanding of pop science at best is not as commendable as you seem to think.
sasquash@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 138d
yes it was very arrogant from the parliament not to do a counter proposal. everyone feels the negative effect from the rapid growth. but the initiative is populism and won't fix anything.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 137d
A large percentage of Americans have a problem with trans people, doesn't mean it's justified to kick them out or worse.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 137d
Unfortunately it's a fault of democracy. If by democratic powers the majority chooses to step on the rights of the minority, it's called "tyranny of the many".
Nobody said the purpose of democracy is to be "just", it's meant to serve the power and will of the people.
muzzle@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 138d
So, what happens when they get to the 10M limit? Newborn do not get citizenship until someone dies? Or do they "remigrate" those that have not "integrated with the society"?
This is just dog whistling for fascist.
sasquash@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 138d
Eventually the Free Movement of Persons agreement with EU/EFTA will be cancelled. Means it will be harder to immigrate into Switzerland for work. Similar like Brexit (which didn't really work)
misk@piefed.social · 8 pts · 138d
They exit Schengen and implement immigration quotas. I doubt anyone is thinking about immediately booting or shooting 10,000,
000,001st person.NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 6 pts · 138d
Well if they get that far they've gone about 9.99billion over quota already.
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 137d
Babies get sent on the moon.
Feyter@programming.dev · 2 pts · 138d
Logan's Run ...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 137d
Switzerland has a huge number of temporary residents that never get citizenship.
De_Narm@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 138d
Sounds incredibly stupid and they didn't even try to come up with a proper number based on anything, they just went with a nice round number just above their current population number (~9 Million).
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 137d
Ah yes, fascism. There is literally no excuse. There are people who say "8 billion people arent sustainable" but the truth is that one population of 8 billion is completely sustainable while there are populations of 10 thousand that arent. Obviously referring to the billionaires here. Hell, i think 8 billion people would probably fit comfortably in europe leaving the rest of earth unpopulated if we desired so for... some reason. More people is generally better for the economy and thats ignoring the fact that it is simply the only acceptable thing to do to let immigrants in.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
I remember seeing a map a few years ago. Basically it said that if we built a megalopolis with the housing density of Paris, all of humanity would fit into half of Texas, but if we went for Tokyo density, we would all fit into Louisiana.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 137d
Worst part of that hypothetical becoming literal truth would be everyone having to live in Louisiana.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
True, but they have some pretty good food, and would instantly be a micro minority, lol. Same for Texas
kokesh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
To many people. We should all have less kids
Makhno@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 138d
Sounds good until you see how many kids knuckle-dragging nationalists can have
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 137d
Infinite growth is inherently unsustainable. Deciding on a number where you think your country works and there is wealth to go around, is the hard part.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 137d
The problem ISN'T that there's too many people for the resources available. It's that most of the resources are hoarded by a few thousand billionaires, leaving artificial scarcity for everyone else, especially the most vulnerable groups.
Which will also be the groups worst affected by misguided at best (but most likely deliberately eugenic) ideas like hard and fast population limits.
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 137d
BUT HOW???
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 137d
You are not cleared to know unless you already support it.
Otherwise they risk reasonable people finding out what they plan on using this egregiously oversimplified and shortsighted legislation to get away with.
brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 138d
That's not a bad idea.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
Rich people will probably have exceptions to the rule.