NJT tickets are normally subsidized by the state government. The Governor asked FIFA to chip in, so the taxpayers aren’t footing the bill for the extra Wold Cup traffic. FIFA refused, so NJT is taking it out on the attendees. (And no, no one believes the state is normally subsidizing $135 per train ticket, this is just revenge for FIFA’s “You should be thankful we’re giving you a game” attitude.)
This is crazy. Isn't the point of having FIFA in your city is to increase tourism and tax revenue? Now they want the increased tourist and tax but doesn't want the extra burden?
tax revenue. People spend money, that money has sales tax, room tax, etc. Obviously the city does not own the hotels, restaurants, clothes and souvenir stores people will end up in, etc.
IIRC the Meadowlands Stadium train is a special one-stop line from Secaucus. And that whole area is a big, marshy mess. Look at a map just west of NYC. You will see a big patch of urban area (Jersey City / Hoboken / Etc), and then to the west of that a huge patch of green. If there was any possible way to develop that land, they would. And they put the stadium right on the north end of that.
They simply didn't design it to be accessible on foot, only by train and car. So NJT can charge whatever it wants, because the alternative is to pay to park there.
Wouldn't another possibility be active fare dodging? And if they do that, can't they just fill the station and trains with so many people until they are forced to run the train to manage the crowd? I imagine all able people will go piggyback through turnstiles to half the fare at least.
In terms of potentially fineable behavior, this might be safer than creating an ad hoc ped xing on an interstate.
Maybe the NJ locals need to weigh in on how likely the constabulary will be to make use of their firearms in such a situation.
Wouldn't another possibility be active fare dodging?
All train access is a scan and turnstile. Scan ticket to get in. Two through triggers an alarm, holding it open triggers an alarm. Cops are all over the place on normal days.
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spongebue@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 110d
That's the infuriating part. WTF are they doing?
mercano@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 110d
NJT tickets are normally subsidized by the state government. The Governor asked FIFA to chip in, so the taxpayers aren’t footing the bill for the extra Wold Cup traffic. FIFA refused, so NJT is taking it out on the attendees. (And no, no one believes the state is normally subsidizing $135 per train ticket, this is just revenge for FIFA’s “You should be thankful we’re giving you a game” attitude.)
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 110d
This is crazy. Isn't the point of having FIFA in your city is to increase tourism and tax revenue? Now they want the increased tourist and tax but doesn't want the extra burden?
Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 110d
That's what some people claim. If I remember correctly, it was determined that these large scale prestigious events are a net negative.
Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 110d
Just a few posts down my lemmy stream:
https://literature.cafe/post/31346850
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 110d
spongebue@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 110d
Isn't that, like, all transit though? If the RV show is in town I wouldn't expect them to pay for transit either.
albbi@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 110d
World cup is probably a bigger surge than the RV show.
spongebue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 110d
Which means more ridership (ticket revenue) and more tax revenue going into the area through other means, like hotels.
Surely whatever logistics they use for NFL games can also be used here? How much more of a crowd could they be expecting?
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 110d
spongebue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 110d
tax revenue. People spend money, that money has sales tax, room tax, etc. Obviously the city does not own the hotels, restaurants, clothes and souvenir stores people will end up in, etc.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 110d
Gouging.
dhork@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 110d
IIRC the Meadowlands Stadium train is a special one-stop line from Secaucus. And that whole area is a big, marshy mess. Look at a map just west of NYC. You will see a big patch of urban area (Jersey City / Hoboken / Etc), and then to the west of that a huge patch of green. If there was any possible way to develop that land, they would. And they put the stadium right on the north end of that.
They simply didn't design it to be accessible on foot, only by train and car. So NJT can charge whatever it wants, because the alternative is to pay to park there.
spongebue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 110d
But in other events they can figure out how to run it charging 90% less, or if you use Trump math 1000% less?
dhork@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 110d
Many of those other events are Jets games, though, and Jets fans have suffered enough....
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 16 pts · 110d
I hope they walk as a big crowd
uhmbah@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 110d
Fuck FIFA
FIFA’s Corruption Crisis: How Deep-Rooted Scandals Continue to Undermine Football’s Integrity?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 110d
FIFA has been corrupted to its core for decades, nothing new here, and still nobody cares
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 5 pts · 110d
Wouldn't another possibility be active fare dodging? And if they do that, can't they just fill the station and trains with so many people until they are forced to run the train to manage the crowd? I imagine all able people will go piggyback through turnstiles to half the fare at least.
In terms of potentially fineable behavior, this might be safer than creating an ad hoc ped xing on an interstate.
Maybe the NJ locals need to weigh in on how likely the constabulary will be to make use of their firearms in such a situation.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 110d
All train access is a scan and turnstile. Scan ticket to get in. Two through triggers an alarm, holding it open triggers an alarm. Cops are all over the place on normal days.
Not going to be an issue I'm sure.
DrSleepless@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 110d
Enshittification
Elilol@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 110d