No, car-centric design is everywhere. North America is especially egregious, because of the power of automakers here, low infrastructure complexity at the time of automobile dominance, and privately owned, small scale rail/cable car networks that were bought up and destroyed by auto companies in the 20th century. Plus economic incentives to drive the creation of the suburb.
But, like, most European cities have torn up massive amounts of infrastructure trying to make car-centric design work. Amsterdam specifically is a "bike" country because of anti-car-centric design they embraced in the 70s, rather than something that they've always been.
Oh I would rather not live in a city of any designation. Not a fan of the idea being trapped around that many people again. God did I hate living in an apartment in the city.
Yeah, but this isn't just urbanism. It's about why spaces for people have been absolutely destroyed by cars and how to reverse that trend. That info can also help people who live in small towns (multiple Strong Town awards recipients have been small towns)
I looked that up, no. I've been to a couple of the recent winners in Ohio. No, not how I want to live. Every picture is crowded areas with lots of people milling about. Hell on Earth.
Sure, then you should still advocate for it so that more people live away from you rather than near you. Suburbia will continue to consume land to try to justify its existence, which is a threat to your way of life.
Good point. My way of life and what I want it to be are very different. Grew up lower middle class suburban and escaping to somewhere like Michigan’s UP would be hard, there’s not much work and I would be starting with nothing. I just don’t like people, even here in suburbia I feel penned in and surrounded.
Yes, it's a disinformation campaign. You can't let people know that the world as it is can be better. Then they might want things to be better, which could impact profits.
There is some truth to it. It becomes easier to hinder big protests by shutting down public transport, especially when everything is more spread out.
Best example is the new capital in egypt.
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Rothe@piefed.social · 15 pts · 96d
Only Americans call them 15 minutes cities though. The rest of the world just call them cities.
D_a_X@feddit.org · 4 pts · 96d
I'm familiar with the term 15 min Citys in Germany as well.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 96d
No, car-centric design is everywhere. North America is especially egregious, because of the power of automakers here, low infrastructure complexity at the time of automobile dominance, and privately owned, small scale rail/cable car networks that were bought up and destroyed by auto companies in the 20th century. Plus economic incentives to drive the creation of the suburb.
But, like, most European cities have torn up massive amounts of infrastructure trying to make car-centric design work. Amsterdam specifically is a "bike" country because of anti-car-centric design they embraced in the 70s, rather than something that they've always been.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 96d
I’m an American, never heard the term before.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Not Just Bikes or Strong Towns for more info.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 96d
Oh I would rather not live in a city of any designation. Not a fan of the idea being trapped around that many people again. God did I hate living in an apartment in the city.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 96d
Yeah, but this isn't just urbanism. It's about why spaces for people have been absolutely destroyed by cars and how to reverse that trend. That info can also help people who live in small towns (multiple Strong Town awards recipients have been small towns)
5in1k@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 96d
I looked that up, no. I've been to a couple of the recent winners in Ohio. No, not how I want to live. Every picture is crowded areas with lots of people milling about. Hell on Earth.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 95d
Sure, then you should still advocate for it so that more people live away from you rather than near you. Suburbia will continue to consume land to try to justify its existence, which is a threat to your way of life.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 95d
Good point. My way of life and what I want it to be are very different. Grew up lower middle class suburban and escaping to somewhere like Michigan’s UP would be hard, there’s not much work and I would be starting with nothing. I just don’t like people, even here in suburbia I feel penned in and surrounded.
hayvan@piefed.world · 7 pts · 96d
I've seen posts on how 15 minute cities are a conspiracy to limit movement by taking away their cars.
Rbnsft@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 96d
In a World where people believe that the earth is flat everything is a conspiracy..
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 96d
Yes, it's a disinformation campaign. You can't let people know that the world as it is can be better. Then they might want things to be better, which could impact profits.
KatherinaReichelt@feddit.org · 4 pts · 96d
It's kind of like the term "woke". Which was taken by right-wing pundits, twisted around and made the scapegoat for everything.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
And they always twist any type of congestion pricing into "they wont let you leave your neighborhood"
Elchi@feddit.org · -1 pts · 96d
There is some truth to it. It becomes easier to hinder big protests by shutting down public transport, especially when everything is more spread out. Best example is the new capital in egypt.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 95d
But that's the opposite of a 15 minute city.
Elchi@feddit.org · 1 pts · 95d
Its a country with low car ownership and a city that will heavily rely on public transport.
fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip · 3 pts · 96d
i have recently moved to a walkable city and that fact alone makes up for so many downfalls from this ancient house (100+ year old)
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 96d
There's a third option where even from the top of the hill, you can't even see a city. There isn't much within fifteen minutes and that's okay.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 96d
I want that so bad, fuck work.