Located between patio slabs at a house in Southern California. Am looking to possibly replace it during the cosmetic repairs planned for the area. Even if I don't replace it, am wondering what this stuff is called and what it's supposed to do.
What's the name of this concrete separator material?
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finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 110d
Looks like a zip strip, not sure if that's a brand name. Basically, they're put in when pouring slabs to control cracking behavior in the concrete when it shrinks/grows.
The alternative would be saw-cut control joints, which generally look and perform better but take a lot more effort.
lettruthout@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 109d
That's it! And it's still being sold... https://www.whitecap.com/product/1quot-x-10apos0quot-zip-strip-soldft-505ZS1
Thanks!
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 109d
They're less tall than the slab though, so either they were pushed into it from the top, after pouring, or it was cut and then filled with these things.
Edit: they were pushed in before hardening, you can see the seam on the side, you couldn't get that any other way
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 109d
Yes, that's how they work. Neither zip strips nor control joints go all the way through the slab.
This creates an area that is weaker than the surrounding slab, acting kind of like a perforation. As the concrete cures and shrinks, it will crack along that line and not be visible from the top of the slab. Concrete of any decent volume will almost always crack as it cures, so this keeps the top of the slab looking nice.
If I had to guess, the slabs here shifted due to the soil underneath settling and creating a void underneath the slab. The increased stress in the unsupported region led to a crack along the strip, and allowed the two parts of the slab to move relative to each other. Since OP mentioned they're in California, it's possible this was earthquake-induced.
lettruthout@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 109d
Yeah the stress possibly was helped along by the earth dancing around here, but settling caused by the irrigated lawn may be the main culprit.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 109d
Oh, yeah I'd be willing to bet the irrigation is the primary culprit here. When you go to fix this, you should consider addressing the drainage path of your irrigation. Otherwise, the soil may continue to shift underneath the new slab and cause the same issue in a few years.
lettruthout@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 109d
Yeah, I can see that now. Good eyes!
over_clox@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 110d
I'm not sure if that's any sort of specialty material, but around my area in south Mississippi, they tend to just use thin strips of wood. Its there to help accomodate for thermal expansion and contraction between hot and cold seasons and try to reduce stress and cracks in the concrete between slabs.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 109d
Plastic, especially non UV resistant plastic, seems like a terrible material for an expansion joint. It also looks very short.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 110d
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IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 110d
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WaterWaiver@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 109d
That looks like a hard plastic, which is weird.
Usually they use something flexible for "expansion joint filler", like flat foam https://www.bunnings.com.au/sika-10-x-100mm-x-25m-abelflex-expansion-joint-filler-foam_p1060067
Also there are types designed simply to reduce the volume of a flexible filler (black polyurethane?) needed to fill the gap with caulking guns. https://www.bunnings.com.au/sika-13mm-x-50m-abelrod-gap-filler_p1060406
lettruthout@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 109d
Both of those suggestions seem to agree with the planned maintenance: grind down the "peaks", remove that zip strip, use filler materials (like those and caulk over the gap filler), then float in the "valleys". After all that, paint the entire thing to help cover up the minor imperfections.
Yeah, not the very best solution, but the house is going to be sold and the next owners might tear the whole patio out in order to build an ADU (Accessory Dwelling Unit, aka: Mother-in-law Apartment, aka: Dower/Dowager House).
zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 110d
Looks like landscape edging, maybe used as a form. You could just pull it out and not replace it, but you might fill it with sand or dirt to keep other things from piling in or prevent mosquito water.